Week 6 - Challenger 80 (€44,820) - Biella, Italy (indoor hard)

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Week 6 - Challenger 80 (€44,820) - Biella, Italy (indoor hard)

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

L16: Ivan Sabanov & Matej Sabanov (CRO/CRO) CR 318 (159+159) vs (3) Lloyd Glasspool & Harri Heliövaara (FIN) CR 244 (143+101)

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Andy not happy with the LTA's Covid-19 protocols at the NTC.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Pleased to see Lloyd back in action with his Finnish partner this week.

flamingowings · All-time great

Marterer is a leftie and we know how much Andy likes to play lefties.

flamingowings · All-time great

Stircrazy wrote:
Andy not happy with the LTA's Covid-19 protocols at the NTC.

Similar article in The Guardian as well

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

flamingowings wrote:
Marterer is a leftie and we know how much Andy likes to play lefties.

This feels just like Dans come back the other year, 2018. different reasons and not as long. Agassi and nishikori have done it , Stan as well and Andy played a challenger last year as well of course.

emmsie69 · Top national player

Stircrazy wrote:
Andy not happy with the LTA's Covid-19 protocols at the NTC.

I can see his point and particularly Dans point about people being there even though not competing currently but he also needs to recognise that despite locking himself away from his family, they all still got it. It's almost impossible to prevent people from being infected once someone they work with has it unless they are naturally immune. My BiLs business has been decimated in the last 3 weeks and they have followed all protocols. There is only 10 of them in a Warehouse, all naturally Socially Distanced as they are all working on different things in different areas, doors are open but as soon as 1 got it, they all got it.

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Stircrazy wrote:
Andy not happy with the LTA's Covid-19 protocols at the NTC.

"Big bruv" takes the opposite view - from today's Metro:

Jamie Murray: Shame for brother Andy, but I won't criticise Roehampton

JAMIE MURRAY has defended the National Tennis Centre after criticism from brother Andy, whose positive test for coronavirus forced him to miss the Australian Open. The 33-year-old believes he picked up the illness while training at the facility in Roehampton and claimed the coronavirus protocols in place were too lax.

But Jamie Murray said: 'I think they have done an incredible job. The set-ups that they had in place, the protocols, all that stuff, the testing, they have done a great job. Obviously over Christmas it was the height of the virus for us, and players go off back home for a few days all over the country, various hot spots and stuff, and it seems like someone's obviously brought it back into the centre and they haven't been tested. It's just a shame in this moment they had some positive tests and it happened to be Andy, which is a big shame with the amount of work that he's put in to get to this point, and all that's down the drain.'

emmsie69 · Top national player

Stircrazy wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:
Andy not happy with the LTA's Covid-19 protocols at the NTC.
"Big bruv" takes the opposite view - from today's Metro:
Jamie Murray: Shame for brother Andy, but I won't criticise Roehampton
JAMIE MURRAY has defended the National Tennis Centre after criticism from brother Andy, whose positive test for coronavirus forced him to miss the Australian Open. The 33-year-old believes he picked up the illness while training at the facility in Roehampton and claimed the coronavirus protocols in place were too lax.
But Jamie Murray said: 'I think they have done an incredible job. The set-ups that they had in place, the protocols, all that stuff, the testing, they have done a great job. Obviously over Christmas it was the height of the virus for us, and players go off back home for a few days all over the country, various hot spots and stuff, and it seems like someone's obviously brought it back into the centre and they haven't been tested. It's just a shame in this moment they had some positive tests and it happened to be Andy, which is a big shame with the amount of work that he's put in to get to this point, and all that's down the drain.'

Which is much more balanced and realistic.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Why is that more realistic? Why is Jamie's opinion more valid than Andy's?

(I have no idea - I'm not trying to point fingers - but I don't see why Andy's wrong and Jamie's right - if they had far more people this time round and didn't test thoroughly (as per Jamie's comment) then it seems Andy has a very valid point too).

emmsie69 · Top national player

Coup Droit wrote:
Why is that more realistic? Why is Jamie's opinion more valid than Andy's?

(I have no idea - I'm not trying to point fingers - but I don't see why Andy's wrong and Jamie's right - if they had far more people this time round and didn't test thoroughly (as per Jamie's comment) then it seems Andy has a very valid point too).

See my comment above, it's practically impossibe to prevent infection once it's in the workplace and Jamie is surmissing that someone didn't get tested whereas it's far more likely that people were tested but returned a negative result. Andy even says that despite locking himself away in a room and isolating from his family they all still got it.

ETA It might even have been Andy that infected everyone else inadvertently. Thats the nature of a virus that doesn't show symptoms in everyone and doesn't have a predictable timeline

-- Edited by emmsie69 on Monday 8th of February 2021 03:18:45 PM

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

emmsie69 wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
Why is that more realistic? Why is Jamie's opinion more valid than Andy's?

(I have no idea - I'm not trying to point fingers - but I don't see why Andy's wrong and Jamie's right - if they had far more people this time round and didn't test thoroughly (as per Jamie's comment) then it seems Andy has a very valid point too).
See my comment above, it's practically impossibe to prevent infection once it's in the workplace and Jamie is surmissing that someone didn't get tested whereas it's far more likely that people were tested but returned a negative result. Andy even says that despite locking himself away in a room and isolating from his family they all still got it.

ETA It might even have been Andy that infected everyone else inadvertently. Thats the nature of a virus that doesn't show symptoms in everyone and doesn't have a predictable timeline

-- Edited by emmsie69 on Monday 8th of February 2021 03:18:45 PM

Yes, but I know two households where two out of four members had the virus and the other two never got it. And they didn't do much distancing. Three sixth-from colleges with kids who were positive and infectious had only 17% transmission into their homes. The scientific reports about what the newspapers call the 'super-spreader' phenomenon is very interesting.

So, I think Andy - and Dan - are making fair points. I'm not saying Jamie isn't. Simply that I don't give Jamie's opinion any more credence than Andy's.

-- Edited by Coup Droit on Monday 8th of February 2021 04:08:27 PM

emmsie69 · Top national player

Coup Droit wrote:
emmsie69 wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
Why is that more realistic? Why is Jamie's opinion more valid than Andy's?

(I have no idea - I'm not trying to point fingers - but I don't see why Andy's wrong and Jamie's right - if they had far more people this time round and didn't test thoroughly (as per Jamie's comment) then it seems Andy has a very valid point too).
See my comment above, it's practically impossibe to prevent infection once it's in the workplace and Jamie is surmissing that someone didn't get tested whereas it's far more likely that people were tested but returned a negative result. Andy even says that despite locking himself away in a room and isolating from his family they all still got it.

ETA It might even have been Andy that infected everyone else inadvertently. Thats the nature of a virus that doesn't show symptoms in everyone and doesn't have a predictable timeline

-- Edited by emmsie69 on Monday 8th of February 2021 03:18:45 PM
Yes, but I know two households where two out of four members had the virus and the other two never got it. And they didn't do much distancing. Three sixth-from colleges with kids who were positive and infectious had only 17% transmission into their homes. The scientific reports about what the newspapers call the 'super-spreader' phenomenon is very interesting.
So, I think Andy - and Dan - are making fair points. I'm not saying Jamie isn't. Simply that I don't give Jamie's opinion any more credence than Andy's.

-- Edited by Coup Droit on Monday 8th of February 2021 04:08:27 PM

It's the finger pointing I object to. I'm pretty tired of it to be honest, it's a virus and in the main it's not anyones fault if they get it or pass it on which is why I think Jamies attitude is more ggrounded than Andys. Obviously there are exceptions to this but I know plenty of people that have gone to town on avoidance tactics and still got it including my firends 80 year old mother and that family were the worst at pointing fingers, meanwhile I'm working in transport, surrounded by people and still haven't had it to my knowledge. It is as Jamie said just unlucky.

indiana · Tennis legend

You can certainly help the odds though. I think the question of interest is whether the NTC were being lax in their preventitive measures, which seems a matter of disagreement.

That's not to say if they were that Andy caught covid there but I can see no excuse for laxity and people having been around that shouldn't have been, while players were preparng for Oz - if indeed that was the case.