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DavidC · Tennis legend

Boys: 2025 European Summer Cups - U12/U14/U16/U18

DavidC · Tennis legend

A nice 3-0 win for the under 14 boys against Norway (Myles won 6-2 7-5, Haqim 6-3 6-3 and Kamran/Myles 6-4 6-2). Tomorrow they take on top qualifying seeds Slovakia (with 2 top 20 ranked players) with the winners qualifying for the finals

DavidC · Tennis legend

Unsurprisingly Slovakia proved too strong, winning 3-0 (Myles lost 3-6 6-2 6-1. Haqim 6-3 7-6(5), then Haqim/Kamran lost the doubles via a match tiebreak). They play Denmark tomorrow for third place in the group.

DavidC · Tennis legend

The under 14 boys finished third in their group after a 3-0 win against Denmark (singles wins for Myles and Kamran followed by doubles success for Haqim/Myles)

DavidC · Tennis legend

The under 12s are the next age group to start their campaign. They name the same team as won the equivalent Winter Cup indoors (Tomas Gabor, Kai Max Hodkinson and Cameron Rae). They are in a round robin group with Bosnia & Herzegovina and Croatia, and play the former tomorrow.

DavidC · Tennis legend

A good start for the under 12 boys, who beat Bosnia & Herzegovina 3-0, losing just 3 games in total. They play Croatia tomorrow.

DavidC · Tennis legend

The under 12s also swatted aside Croatia, for the total loss of 8 games. Their group is 1 nation short, so they are guaranteed to finish top of it, and will play the second team in the other group on Sunday for a position in the finals.

DavidC · Tennis legend

The under 12 boys have qualified for their final thanks to a 2-0 win over Romania this morning. Tomas had a comfortable win, followed by a tight one for Max (7-6(5) in the third). One oddity about the under 12s this year is that they have divided the boys into 5 qualifying groups, so 10 nations qualify for the final stages, rather than the usual 8. They will resolve this by drawing 4 nations to play-off matches on the day before the final round robin groups of 4 start - hence getting down to 8 nations, divided into 2 groups of 4 (the 2 losing nations play-off for 9th/10th).

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

DavidC wrote:
The under 12 boys have qualified for their final thanks to a 2-0 win over Romania this morning. Tomas had a comfortable win, followed by a tight one for Max (7-6(5) in the third). One oddity about the under 12s this year is that they have divided the boys into 5 qualifying groups, so 10 nations qualify for the final stages, rather than the usual 8. They will resolve this by drawing 4 nations to play-off matches on the day before the final round robin groups of 4 start - hence getting down to 8 nations, divided into 2 groups of 4 (the 2 losing nations play-off for 9th/10th).

So the four 'best' teams might get drawn out of the hat and two of them might end up playing for 9th and 10th places ???

-- Edited by Coup Droit on Sunday 27th of July 2025 12:18:32 PM

DavidC · Tennis legend

Coup Droit wrote:
DavidC wrote:
The under 12 boys have qualified for their final thanks to a 2-0 win over Romania this morning. Tomas had a comfortable win, followed by a tight one for Max (7-6(5) in the third). One oddity about the under 12s this year is that they have divided the boys into 5 qualifying groups, so 10 nations qualify for the final stages, rather than the usual 8. They will resolve this by drawing 4 nations to play-off matches on the day before the final round robin groups of 4 start - hence getting down to 8 nations, divided into 2 groups of 4 (the 2 losing nations play-off for 9th/10th).
So the four 'best' teams might get drawn out of the hat and two of them might end up playing for 9th and 10th places ???

-- Edited by Coup Droit on Sunday 27th of July 2025 12:18:32 PM

In theory yes. Organising the under 12 tournaments has always been problematic, because there is no official ranking information available to compare teams. Hence they go for round robin events, which work well for 32 nations or fewer, but it is problematic for more than 32. This year there were 36 entries for both the boys and the girls. Either you have to have some form of elimination at the qualification stage or the finals stage.

Usually they go for elimination at the qualification stage, and in the girls event there were 2 groups of 10 and 2 groups of 8. To get the two groups of 10 down to 8 there was selection of which nations should be involved in pre-qualifying, using the following criteria:

"The teams who shall play the preliminary round will be selected in the following order:
1. Not having entered, the year before, in this specific age group (12&U).
2. Last position countries in the 4 qualifying rounds of the year before.
3. Last two position countries in the 4 qualifying rounds of the year before.
4. Last three position countries in the 4 qualifying rounds of the year before."

The trial this year with the boys event ensures every nation gets at least 3 matches, and most get 4, but creates a problem at the finals stage. With the usual method employed for the girls event 4 nations only got 2 matches - 1 pre-qualification and a play-off for 9th in the group. There are sure to be arguments about which is the fairer method.

DavidC · Tennis legend

The under 16 team of Mark Ceban, Rhys Lawlor and Eric Lorimer start tomorrow in their attempt to qualify for the Junior Davis Cup. The first stage is to qualify for the European finals, and that has been made harder by the draw, which puts them in the same half as the second seeds Turkiye, who on paper are the strongest team in the group (the top seeds Ukraine are seeded 1 because their players gather more points in weaker TE16 events, while the Turkish players are doing well in ITFs). They open tomorrow against Norway.

Dylan Davies, William Moxon and Ferran Redza form the under 18 squad, with qualifying also starting tomorrow.

Oscariyan · Club Coach

Are there live scores by any chance?

DavidC · Tennis legend

Oscariyan wrote:
Are there live scores by any chance?

The usual suspects for live scores are the groups in France (thanks for finding and posting the girls U16 live scores there) and Italy. Our under 16s are in Greece, and the under 18s in Romania, so I would be surprised if any live scores are available. If there are any then there should be links from https://www.tenniseurope.org tomorrow

DavidC · Tennis legend

The under 16s posted a comfortable victory over Norway with Rhys and Mark winning in straights. It is unclear from the Tennis Europe page whether Norway or GBR won the dead doubles. As expected they face second seeds Turkiye to decide which of the two nations progresses to the finals - unfortunate, as both on paper appear to be top 8 if not top 4 within Europe. Their number one Kaan Isik Kosaner was one of Mark's TE14 rivals 2 years ago, and they have strength in depth.

The under 18s had a bye in round 1, but face top qualifying seeds Romania for a place in their final. Romania have a top 10 ranked junior, a top 100 ranked and a lad ranked around ATP 1000, so it is a tall order.

DavidC · Tennis legend

Two three setters in the under 16 crunch match singles, but they both went against us (Rhys and Mark) so our team will not make either the European finals or the Junior Davis Cup finals. They play Ukraine tomorrow for third place in the group.

In the under 18s Dylan sadly retired from his match, having forced a decider against the top 10 junior ranked Romanian. Ferran lost easily, so it ended as a 3-0 win for Romania. They play Israel for third.