European League Club Tennis

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

European League Club Tennis

the addict · Tennis legend

Coup Droit wrote:
Goodness, Lucy has mega staying power ! Or maybe she just has teammates that holler the place down and just won't let her lose

Lucy did a marathon a month ago - so three long sets is no problem at all

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Yes, I saw that - but I'm still going for the teammates as well

There's a real Davis Cup atmosphere to European team tennis - it gets VERY loud and VERY animated. It was a home match too, this week.....

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

In the men's:

DN1B:

Stuart Parker lost in three, to a player ranked -4/6, like him. But he won his dubs and the team won 4-2

DN2:

Billy Harris won in three, 6-4 in the third, against a player ranked -2/6 (one level below -4/6). Lost dubs (in MTB) but team won 4-2

Matt Short lost 2&4 to a -4/6. Lost dubs in MTB. Team lost 1-5.

DN3:

Dan Cox beat a -4/6 player 6-1 7-5. Also won dubs (MTB). Team won 4-2.

Damon Roberts lost 4&4 to a -2/6. And dubs. Team lost 1-6

Rich Gabb posted an excellent win over a National ranked player, Egea, ATP 708, 6-3 7-5
Jonny O'Mara won a hard three-set match against an average-ish ranked player (0)
Rich and Jonny won their dubs and the team drew 3-3

DN4:

Josh Goodall lost the first set against a national ranked player, (Craciun, ATP 741, ex 218) but the guy then retired one game later. Josh also won his doubles, and the team drew 3-3

Keelan lost in three to a 0. Also lost dubs. Team drew 3-3.

Marus Willis turned out for the team today and won easily against a low-ish ranked guy (1/6). Jack Carpenter won in three against a guy with the same ranking. Both won their dubs (playing with different partners).. Team won 4-2

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Wow. Didn't realize Jack C was still playing competitively. Hope he has still got that hat on backwards.

Born2WinTennis · Club Coach

Are most of these matches played on Clay? And is DN4 the 4th division? Meaning Stuart Parker is playing 4 levels higher than Marcus?

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

No, most aren't played on clay - most are on hard courts.

You play on whatever courts the home team has (and most French clubs have hard)

I'll check later which of our guys played on clay yesterday.

And, yes, you're right. DN4 is fourth division.
Well, actually it's 6th - D1B (i.e. Parker's team) is the highest division playing at this time of the year but the two higher leagues (DN1A and Premier) play in November.
Those top three divisions though are small (about 12 teams in each one).
The other divisions have about 100 teams in each one.

Marcus plays as number one, though, (when he plays). Stuart is normally number 3. (Five players in all). So there's often a big mismatch between standards on number one and number 5. (Stuart Parker has a domestic ranking of about ITF FQR level)

-- Edited by Coup Droit on Monday 15th of May 2017 09:37:58 AM

the addict · Tennis legend

CD - could you explain how the player ranking works ? For Marcus's team I see rankings of N45, -15, -4/6, 3/6, 15/1 etc

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

French tennis rankings

Hi, the addict.

I'll put a more detailed explanation in a post below. But for those who want to cut to the chase, and for those who know the LTA domestic ones, look at these chart (they're practically the same, one is the 2009 one and one the 2005 one). They give a rough equivalency between UK and France (and others)

www.swisstennis.ch/sites/default/files/itn_conversion_chart_09.pdf

www.tennisplayandstay.com/itn/itn-conversion-chart.aspx

Just to say, and from direct experience of tournament draw organisation, the equivalencies are generous to the British ranking and mean to the French one.

the addict · Tennis legend

Many thanks, I can see the pattern now, makes some sort of sense !
For once I prefer the LTA way of thinking !

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

The system is as follows:

4th Series rankings (best to worst): UNR, 40, 30/5, 30/4, 30/3, 30/2, 30/1 = from beginner to reasonable club level

3rd Series: 30, 15/5, 15/4, 15/3, 15/2 15/1 = very decent club players

(lower) 2nd Series = approx. British Tour level, the level you need to be an accredited FFT coach, getting serious: rankings 15, 5/6, 4/6, 3/6, 2/6, 1/6, 0

(higher) 2nd Series = ITF quali/R1 level up to ATP ranked 1000 or so: rankings -2/6, -4/6, -15

First Series (decent ATP/WTA players): Numbered players: Top 100 (for men), Top 60 (for women)

Premiere Series: Top 20

It's all done on a pyramid basis, so the difference between 30/5 and 30/4 is pretty minimal.
But the difference between -4/6 and -15 is big.

Hope that helps - feel free to ask questions

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

the addict wrote:
Many thanks, I can see the pattern now, makes some sort of sense !
For once I prefer the LTA way of thinking !

Yes, the numbers themselves are pretty daft (all based on a handicap system of how much points, games, sets you'd need to start off with in order to level the playing field).

They should change it.

But SO many people use it (there must be over half a million players with rankings) that everyone understands it and doesn't question it.

the addict · Tennis legend

I was initially puzzled because Lucy plays #1 and is ranked 15, while Alexandra Wojtczak plays #2 and is ranked 3/6, and it just looked weird !

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Lucy is -15, not 15

It's an important 'minus' !

the addict · Tennis legend

Coup Droit wrote:
Lucy is -15, not 15

It's an important 'minus' !

Oops, very important typo !! I knew what I meant, anyway !