Week 2 - WTA Premier ($823k) - Sydney, Australia - Hard

the addict · Tennis legend

Week 2 - WTA Premier ($823k) - Sydney, Australia - Hard

flamingowings · All-time great

the addict wrote:
Quirk in the rules there, why should you be allowed to sign in as a LL if you retired in FQR ?
Still, good luck to Jo, she needs some matches.

Exactly my thoughts.

Ace Ventura · Tennis legend

It's not right, but it happens a few times. I remember Dodin doing similar in one of the Sunshine Double tournaments last year.

flamingowings · All-time great

Ace Ventura wrote:
It's not right, but it happens a few times. I remember Dodin doing similar in one of the Sunshine Double tournaments last year.

That doesn't make it right either! smile The WTA should put a rule in place so that this doesn't happen.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

But if you retire because you've got a horrid bug and then the next day feel a lot better (which often happens) why not allow them to sign in as a LL?

Otherwise, they'll just feel obliged to play out the match, hardly touching a ball, making themselves worse, and making tennis look daft.

flamingowings · All-time great

Coup Droit wrote:
But if you retire because you've got a horrid bug and then the next day feel a lot better (which often happens) why not allow them to sign in as a LL?

Otherwise, they'll just feel obliged to play out the match, hardly touching a ball, making themselves worse, and making tennis look daft.

...because on the day, they lost the match?

ROSAMUND · Futures level

Did Jo know before she started the match that she would get into the main draw as a lucky loser as long as she started the match? But who can blame her because why waste energy playing 2 sets when a few games will do to get you into the main draw. It's the fault of the rules and it was common sense for Jo not to waste unnecessary energy. Meanwhile let's see what happens against Kiki Bertens.

PaulM · Tennis legend

You have to be cleared by the tournament doctor to sign in as a LL. All above board and you can forsee many scenarios where it might happen, a bug, a minor fall etc...

There can be 2/3 days between FQR and first R1 matches in WTA events.

And remember flamingo wings, every lucky loser has lost the match on the day. Otherwise you wouldn't be a lucky loser

PaulM · Tennis legend

ROSAMUND wrote:
Did Jo know before she started the match that she would get into the main draw as a lucky loser as long as she started the match? But who can blame her because why waste energy playing 2 sets when a few games will do to get you into the main draw. It's the fault of the rules and it was common sense for Jo not to waste unnecessary energy. Meanwhile let's see what happens against Kiki Bertens.

No, the draw is done at random.

Michael D · All-time great

If Jo is fit she will welcome the match practice however she got in. I will be pleased just to see her get through another match safely...

R32: Jo KONTA (GRB) [LL] WR 38 vs Kiki BERTENS (NED) [7] WR 9

And withdrawn

-- Edited by Michael D on Monday 7th of January 2019 08:05:29 AM

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

flamingowings wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
But if you retire because you've got a horrid bug and then the next day feel a lot better (which often happens) why not allow them to sign in as a LL?

Otherwise, they'll just feel obliged to play out the match, hardly touching a ball, making themselves worse, and making tennis look daft.
...because on the day, they lost the match?

But all lucky losers lost their match on the day

ROSAMUND · Futures level

PaulM wrote:
ROSAMUND wrote:
Did Jo know before she started the match that she would get into the main draw as a lucky loser as long as she started the match? But who can blame her because why waste energy playing 2 sets when a few games will do to get you into the main draw. It's the fault of the rules and it was common sense for Jo not to waste unnecessary energy. Meanwhile let's see what happens against Kiki Bertens.
No, the draw is done at random.

Lucky loser is based on ranking and not a lucky draw. It favours the highest rank down. I reckon Jo must have known before the start of the matcn that as long as she started the match she would get into the main draw. Seemingly she hurt her neck in the warmup Sensible not to waste energy though. Why play for a couple of hours when 18 minutes will do.

Ace Ventura · Tennis legend

Edit - Jo, as of yet, has not pulled out of Sydney.

-- Edited by Ace Ventura on Sunday 6th of January 2019 03:55:32 PM

Ace Ventura · Tennis legend

See above.

-- Edited by Ace Ventura on Sunday 6th of January 2019 03:55:47 PM

RedSquirrel · Satellite level

ROSAMUND wrote:

PaulM wrote:
ROSAMUND wrote:
Did Jo know before she started the match that she would get into the main draw as a lucky loser as long as she started the match? But who can blame her because why waste energy playing 2 sets when a few games will do to get you into the main draw. It's the fault of the rules and it was common sense for Jo not to waste unnecessary energy. Meanwhile let's see what happens against Kiki Bertens.
No, the draw is done at random.
Lucky loser is based on ranking and not a lucky draw. It favours the highest rank down. I reckon Jo must have known before the start of the matcn that as long as she started the match she would get into the main draw. Seemingly she hurt her neck in the warmup Sensible not to waste energy though. Why play for a couple of hours when 18 minutes will do.

Its based on both. The draw is based on the number of LL spots available plus one (2 spots available, the 3 highest ranked losers go into the draw for the LL places)