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flamingowings


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Oakland2002 wrote:

As previously stated when you look at it from a non British Tennis fans perspective he is a very bad draw for his opponents in a Qualifying tournament. He was suspended as opposed to injured for a year, prior to that he was focused and in the form of his life and in Australia. Technically since returning he has been consistent with his previous level and progressed rapidly through the rankings, generally his performance has been limited by lack of conditioning, he has now had time to improve this and played competitively for 6 months. He has insight into what he needs to do, is motivated and now values his talent. From an outside perspective looking in I would simple say Bring it on.

However, Dan is Dan and we are British tennis fans so the pessimistic approach, not walking on cracks in the pavement and saluting magpies is entirely the right one and I of course will stick to this rigidly. I do have some concerns about some other posters, (flamingowings excluded who appears to have exactly the right attitude) CD, BiS who are very unlikely to be able to stick with the programme and therefore take full responsibility for Dan bowing out before the 4th round.

 Dan is what I would call a "streaky" sort of player. When he is ON, he is ON but he can easily be...bad. consistent isn't really his nature, although pre-ban he was more on than off. I thought it very fitting that Dan teamed up (but can't remember if they actually played together, I don't think they did...) with Kygrios to play doubles at the US Open because they had the same sort of style/temperament. 



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Super wins for the "old-timers". Congrats to both Wardy and Evo.

It was always a really tough draw for Jay.

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Jay's scoreline doesn't look great but from a post on another forum from someone who watched it, he was getting in the games so that's something.

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Trungellitti up next, 13th seeded Argentina player. Fancy Wardy on form of last two sets and also fancy Dan now to win next match. Day turned out better than I expected!

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flamingowings wrote:

Jay's scoreline doesn't look great but from a post on another forum from someone who watched it, he was getting in the games so that's something.

Yes. Just seen a tweet saying that on BP conversions, Jay was 1/7 while Sonego was 4-6. Suggests that it was a decent performance from Jay.



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Round-up:

QR1:  (q1) Lorenzo Sonego ITA WR 104 defeated Jay Clarke WR 237 by 2 & 3  cry

QR1:  Dan Evans WR 190 defeated (q23) Rogério Dutra Silva BRA WR 134 by 2 & 3  biggrin

QR1:  James Ward WR 187 defeated (qWC) Maverick Banes (AUS) WR 301 by 3-6 6-1 6-1  smile

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QR2:  Jurij Rodionov (AUT) WR 208 (= CH - 19 years old) vs Dan Evans WR 190

QR2:  (q13) Marco Trungelliti (ARG) WR 121 (CH = 118 last October) vs James Ward WR 187



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Coup Droit wrote:

Oh ye of little faith to those above :::))))



-- Edited by Coup Droit on Wednesday 9th of January 2019 12:12:20 AM

 

 Yep I found that negativity absolutely bizarre. As inconsistent as Dan is he should pretty much be no worse than 50:50 chances against anyone ranked outside the top 100. Just because he's thrown in a few losses doesn't mean an unplayable performance isn't just round the corner for him



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Does anyone have an update on Dan's coaching arrangements? That's what I'm really interested in, since we know he has the potential to be back in the top 100. Keep wishing he could get Mark Hilton back, since I think Mark was far more valuable to Dan than he is to Kyle, who has Freddie Rosengren as his main coach.

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Stircrazy wrote:

Round-up:

QR1:  (q1) Lorenzo Sonego ITA WR 104 defeated Jay Clarke WR 237 by 2 & 3  cry

QR1:  Dan Evans WR 190 defeated (q23) Rogerio Dutra Silva BRA WR 134 by 2 & 3  biggrin

QR1:  James Ward WR 187 defeated (qWC) Maverick Banes (AUS) WR 301 by 3-6 6-1 6-1  smile

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QR2:  Jurij Rodionov (AUT) WR 208 (= CH - 19 years old) vs Dan Evans WR 190

QR2:  (q13) Marco Trungelliti (ARG) WR 121 (CH = 118 last October) vs James Ward WR 187

 I remember when Rodionov beat Dan on his early comeback last year,  Evo was in charge, and then Rodionov started goating from nowhere. This could be a tough one for Evo. 



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Just out of interest, I noticed from this ranking page that first round losers in a slam get 10 points.

I may be going daft, but a) is that correct and b) was it like this previous years - ie I thought first round losers got zero?

www.atptour.com/en/rankings/rankings-faq

I may be going totally daft and not remembering properly though

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Vandenburg wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:

Round-up:

QR1:  (q1) Lorenzo Sonego ITA WR 104 defeated Jay Clarke WR 237 by 2 & 3  cry

QR1:  Dan Evans WR 190 defeated (q23) Rogerio Dutra Silva BRA WR 134 by 2 & 3  biggrin

QR1:  James Ward WR 187 defeated (qWC) Maverick Banes (AUS) WR 301 by 3-6 6-1 6-1  smile

*****

QR2:  Jurij Rodionov (AUT) WR 208 (= CH - 19 years old) vs Dan Evans WR 190

QR2:  (q13) Marco Trungelliti (ARG) WR 121 (CH = 118 last October) vs James Ward WR 187

 I remember when Rodionov beat Dan on his early comeback last year,  Evo was in charge, and then Rodionov started goating from nowhere. This could be a tough one for Evo. 

 true in the Loughborough CH event , 6-4 7-5 Rodionov won. I think Dan will be better than 8 months ago but nonetheless a good spot and we shouldnt underestimate the Austrian



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Came across this article on Tennis Abstract (a site I like a lot) and the author publishes his ELO ratings. Among other players, he feels that his ELO ratings suggest Evo should really be ranked more like 89 in the world and his ATP ranking undervalues him.

www.tennisabstract.com/blog/2019/01/08/identifying-underrated-players-with-minor-league-elo/



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JonH wrote:

Just out of interest, I noticed from this ranking page that first round losers in a slam get 10 points.

I may be going daft, but a) is that correct and b) was it like this previous years - ie I thought first round losers got zero?

www.atptour.com/en/rankings/rankings-faq

I may be going totally daft and not remembering properly though

That's correct Jon. First round q losers get 0 points. Dan and James get 8 points for a QR1 win, and either 15 or 16 for a QR2 win, and then 25 points for qualifying. MD entrants if they lose first round then get the 10 points you mention. I think a qualifier who loses in the MD first round, then gets just the 25 points, but would get 25 + 45 points if they win a round... 



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If you qualify and get knocked out in R1 you get the 25 + 10. Was pretty sure this was the case but just double checked a rankings breakdown for someone in that position last season.

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thanks Michael and Madadman, in which case my memory was wrong, it was the 10 points for losing round 1 I had misremembered. I seemed to recall the ATP trying to introduce a general theme whereby you only got a ranking point if you won a match ie first round losers at any level didnt get points for just turning up, but that clearly didnt apply to GS levels.



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