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Week 12 - ATP Masters(1000)- Miami Open Presented by ITAU- Miami, USA (hard)


Sitting up and hopefully he wil get over it all fairly soon. But I reckon this particular match is probably over. Shame.

... and he indeed retires. 



-- Edited by indiana on Thursday 25th of March 2021 04:39:35 PM

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Bizarre match.

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Real shame. He was in the match, playing some decent tennis. Encouraging from that POV. Obviously, other reasons to be less so.

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Stircrazy wrote:

L96:  Cameron Norrie WR 56 defeated Yoshihito Nishioka (JPN) WR 66 by 6-1 3-6 7-5 

How on earth did he manage to turn that one round?  The Japanese served for it at 5-2 in the third!

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L64:  (9) Grigor Dimitrov (BUL) WR 16 (CH = 3 in November 2017) vs Cameron Norrie WR 56


L96:  Mikhail Kukushkin (KAZ) WR 105 defeated (WC) Jack Draper 316 by 7-5 retired  cry



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Coup Droit wrote:
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emmsie69 wrote:

Fair play to Jack here, he has atleast made a match of it. I expected him to be off the court in an hour


 He already looks like has has done 12 rounds with Mike Tyson, how hot is it? 


 He's having his blood pressure taken etc. - yeah, he's obviously not feeling great - the temperature is only about 27 degrees there, although reasonably humid. 


 Unusual for it to be humid in March, it's actually the best time to go to South Florida

 

Hmm I've looked at temp and humidity in Miami today and while it's not optimum I have to say if that kind of heat affects him like it looks like it did today his career is going nowhere.  It's possible that there is an issue with the courts as they are inland somewhat whereas Crandon is right on the water but still a 19 year old should be able to manage in the conditions in S.Fla right now.



-- Edited by emmsie69 on Thursday 25th of March 2021 05:08:40 PM

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Anyone actually watch the latter part of Cam's third set? As above Armchair watched the rest of the match.


 [...]  It seems then that atopic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima. 


What's an "atopic bomb"?   confuse



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Stircrazy wrote:
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Anyone actually watch the latter part of Cam's third set? As above Armchair watched the rest of the match.


 [...]  It seems then that atopic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima. 


What's an "atopic bomb"?   confuse


 Could be referring to Antonio Topic, known as "The Atopic Bomb" wink



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emmsie69 wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
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Fair play to Jack here, he has atleast made a match of it. I expected him to be off the court in an hour


 He already looks like has has done 12 rounds with Mike Tyson, how hot is it? 


 He's having his blood pressure taken etc. - yeah, he's obviously not feeling great - the temperature is only about 27 degrees there, although reasonably humid. 


 Unusual for it to be humid in March, it's actually the best time to go to South Florida

 

Hmm I've looked at temp and humidity in Miami today and while it's not optimum I have to say if that kind of heat affects him like it looks like it did today his career is going nowhere.  It's possible that there is an issue with the courts as they are inland somewhat whereas Crandon is right on the water but still a 19 year old should be able to manage in the conditions in S.Fla right now.


 Yes, I agree. It sounds like he's maybe got a virus or something; hard to believe that you'd be really suffering in those conditions, after not even one set, if you're A1 fine



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indiana wrote:
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Wow well done Cam!!!!!


 more like, biggest choke of the year so far. 


But you say below that you didn't see any of the match after 1-5.

I'm not being funny but, as Indy says, it would be interesting to know if anyone actually saw the end of the match to know if, yes, it was a huge choke or Cam suddenly changed gear (or a bit of both, as often) 

Meanwhile, Jack is playing decently enough 


 Let's be honest, the player in question does have a reputation as a choker. 


 So he's even "choking" here in the early stages, even before we we get near the business end?! 


 Think Vandy was on about Nishioka not Kukushkin. 

 

 



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Yes, I think so, fair point - ie. just fair in that's who he was probably referring to there.



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Jack played some ok stuff here, but you feel he does not really know he own body or game, e.g. still growing. He will likely go on to have a steady top 100 career, but at the moment simply do not see enough X factor to be a top 20 prospect. e.g most things are 6 or 7 out of 10. If he can make the serve 8/10 or the forehand 9/10 so it really is a weapon, then he has more potential.

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He hasn't played a lot of matches lately and the physicality of this level isn't something he's used to either. I think there's cause for optimism.

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Coup Droit wrote:
emmsie69 wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
Vandenburg wrote:
emmsie69 wrote:

Fair play to Jack here, he has atleast made a match of it. I expected him to be off the court in an hour


 He already looks like has has done 12 rounds with Mike Tyson, how hot is it? 


 He's having his blood pressure taken etc. - yeah, he's obviously not feeling great - the temperature is only about 27 degrees there, although reasonably humid. 


 Unusual for it to be humid in March, it's actually the best time to go to South Florida

 

Hmm I've looked at temp and humidity in Miami today and while it's not optimum I have to say if that kind of heat affects him like it looks like it did today his career is going nowhere.  It's possible that there is an issue with the courts as they are inland somewhat whereas Crandon is right on the water but still a 19 year old should be able to manage in the conditions in S.Fla right now.


 Yes, I agree. It sounds like he's maybe got a virus or something; hard to believe that you'd be really suffering in those conditions, after not even one set, if you're A1 fine


 on commentary, Annabel Croft mentioned that he had had Covid after Andy had it so presumably that means mid/late Jan. So that may have had an impact on his physical well being and help explain his lack of any decent form recently. Having said that and if he was not physically at his best why would he have accepted the wildcard.

I did think up until that point, he had been playing well enough and I have not really seen him before. He did have break points, I think at 5-5 which he didnt manage to convert.

 



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Stircrazy wrote:

L96:  Cameron Norrie WR 56 defeated Yoshihito Nishioka (JPN) WR 66 by 6-1 3-6 7-5 

How on earth did he manage to turn that one round?  The Japanese served for it at 5-2 in the third!

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L64:  (9) Grigor Dimitrov (BUL) WR 16 (CH = 3 in November 2017) vs Cameron Norrie WR 56


L64:  (19) Daniel Evans WR 29 vs Frances Tiafoe (USA) WR 58 (CH = 29 in February 2019)



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Ah, I didn't know about Jack's covid adding to the stop/start nature of his last year or so. With him not turning 20 until December there is still a huge amount of potential there with how much becoming rather clearer over the next couple of years or so. Hopefully he can have a problem free summer and develop his game further.

The cupboard is pretty bare otherwise re British men advancing up the rankings to provide any sort of depth. Rather the reverse as we are getting pretty close to just having 11 in the top 500 which is terrible. And that includes such as Andy, James Ward and Brydan Klein for how much longer ... 



-- Edited by indiana on Thursday 25th of March 2021 07:31:40 PM

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