Weeks 40 & 41 - ATP Masters 1000 - BNP Paribas Open, Indian Wells, CA, USA (hard)

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

RE: Weeks 40 & 41 - ATP Masters 1000 - BNP Paribas Open, Indian Wells, CA, USA (hard)

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

The Beeb's report on the match.

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Stircrazy wrote:
QF: (21) Cameron Norrie WR 26 defeated (11) Diego Schwartzman (ARG) WR 15 by 0 & 2

And here's a bit of turn-up for the books:

SF: (23) Grigor Dimitrov (BUL) WR 28 (CH = 3 in November 2017) vs (21) Cameron Norrie WR 26

Not sure whether that's good or bad... Dimi beat Hurkacz by 7-6(2) in the third.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Dimi is playing top level tennis this week, he seems to be back. I hope Im wrong but my tip for the title

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Plus he could take Cams top 20 slot away if he wins

indiana · Tennis legend

Hurkacz is left 9th in the race, effectively 8th with Nadal out for the season.

The current top 5 are mathematically qualified for the finals and Berrettini will surely make it as well.

That leaves Ruud and Hurkacz as currently the two to chase and Cam would actually be next in line in 10th ( effectively 9th ), and not that far behind them, if he was to go and win the IW title. Even if he loses his SF he will have at least got a bit closer with the Paris Masters in particular still to come

Strongbow · All-time great

Well done Cam

Jaggy1876 · Grand Slam Champion

Cam was simply awesome and is becoming such a tough player to beat. His nickname should be The Wall as youd need to knock him down to get past him. Cant remember who it was this week on Amazon Prime but they were spot on when they said the majority of tennis matches are won by the player that makes the fewer errors and you need to beat Cam because he simply doesnt make enough mistakes.

-- Edited by Jaggy1876 on Friday 15th of October 2021 02:32:23 AM

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:
Hurkacz is left 9th in the race, effectively 8th with Nadal out for the season.

The current top 5 are mathematically qualified for the finals and Berrettini will surely make it as well.

That leaves Ruud and Hurkacz as currently the two to chase and Cam would actually be next in line in 10th ( effectively 9th ), and not that far behind them, if he was to go and win the IW title. Even if he loses his SF he will have at least got a bit closer with the Paris Masters in particular still to come

It still feels a stretch but you never know and Cam is proving hard to beat right now. An alt position seems more realistic but either way, hes in the chase at least

Jaffa · Challenger level

Cam is like a left handed David Ferrer.

Thats the best Ive seen him play last night. Long May it continue!

indiana · Tennis legend

JonH comes home wrote:
indiana wrote:
Hurkacz is left 9th in the race, effectively 8th with Nadal out for the season.

The current top 5 are mathematically qualified for the finals and Berrettini will surely make it as well.

That leaves Ruud and Hurkacz as currently the two to chase and Cam would actually be next in line in 10th ( effectively 9th ), and not that far behind them, if he was to go and win the IW title. Even if he loses his SF he will have at least got a bit closer with the Paris Masters in particular still to come
It still feels a stretch but you never know and Cam is proving hard to beat right now. An alt position seems more realistic but either way, hes in the chase at least

Oh yes, as of right now he is still 765 to 800 points behind Hurkacz ( he already had a full 19 race counters so will be dropping 10 or 45 points depending on how the race is treating 'mandatories' ). So a stretch.

But just saying that there are 640 points still to play for here and 1000 and 500 point tournaments remaining.

Though, while he might support calls to rip up the IW courts, that would just be for them to be laid down again in the remaining indoor venues.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
indiana wrote:
Hurkacz is left 9th in the race, effectively 8th with Nadal out for the season.

The current top 5 are mathematically qualified for the finals and Berrettini will surely make it as well.

That leaves Ruud and Hurkacz as currently the two to chase and Cam would actually be next in line in 10th ( effectively 9th ), and not that far behind them, if he was to go and win the IW title. Even if he loses his SF he will have at least got a bit closer with the Paris Masters in particular still to come
It still feels a stretch but you never know and Cam is proving hard to beat right now. An alt position seems more realistic but either way, hes in the chase at least
Oh yes, as of right now he is still 765 to 800 points behind Hurkacz ( he already had a full 19 race counters so will be dropping 10 or 45 points depending on how the race is treating 'mandatories' ). So a stretch.
But just saying that there are 640 points still to play for here and 1000 and 500 point tournaments remaining.
Though, while he might support calls to rip up the IW courts, that would just be for them to be laid down again in the remaining indoor venues.

I am trying to remember how the courts play in Vienna, Paris and Stockholm (should he need to go there for final points?)

Vienna appears relatively slow given the recent finalists listed below

2010	Jürgen Melzer (2)	Andreas Haider-Maurer	67⁽¹⁰¹²⁾, 76⁽⁷⁴⁾, 64
2011	Jo-Wilfried Tsonga	Juan Martín del Potro	67⁽⁵⁷⁾, 63, 64
2012	Juan Martín del Potro	Grega emlja	75, 63
2013	Tommy Haas (2)	Robin Haase	63, 46, 64
2014	Andy Murray	David Ferrer	57, 62, 75
2015	David Ferrer	Steve Johnson	46, 64, 75
2016	Andy Murray (2)	Jo-Wilfried Tsonga	63, 76⁽⁸⁶⁾
2017	Lucas Pouille	Jo-Wilfried Tsonga	61, 64
2018	Kevin Anderson	Kei Nishikori	63, 76⁽⁷³⁾
2019	Dominic Thiem	Diego Schwartzman	36, 64, 63
2020	Andrey Rublev	Lorenzo Sonego	64, 64

Paris a little bit quicker given the list below

2010	Robin Söderling	Gaël Monfils	61, 76⁽⁷¹⁾
2011	Roger Federer	Jo-Wilfried Tsonga	61, 76⁽⁷³⁾
2012	David Ferrer	Jerzy Janowicz	64, 63
2013	Novak Djokovic (2)	David Ferrer	75, 75
2014	Novak Djokovic (3)	Milos Raonic	62, 63
2015	Novak Djokovic (4)	Andy Murray	62, 64
2016	Andy Murray	John Isner	63, 67⁽⁴⁷⁾, 64
2017	Jack Sock	Filip Krajinovi	57, 64, 61
2018	Karen Khachanov	Novak Djokovic	75, 64
2019	Novak Djokovic (5)	Denis Shapovalov	63, 64
2020	Daniil Medvedev	Alexander Zverev	57, 64, 61

Stockholm - again, perhaps a little quicker?

2010	Roger Federer	Florian Mayer	64, 63
2011	Gaël Monfils	Jarkko Nieminen	75, 36, 62
2012	Tomá Berdych	Jo-Wilfried Tsonga	46, 64, 64
2013	Grigor Dimitrov	David Ferrer	26, 63, 64
2014	Tomá Berdych (2)	Grigor Dimitrov	57, 64, 64
2015	Tomá Berdych (3)	Jack Sock	76⁽⁷¹⁾, 62
2016	Juan Martín del Potro	Jack Sock	75, 61
2017	Juan Martín del Potro (2)	Grigor Dimitrov	64, 62
2018	Stefanos Tsitsipas	Ernests Gulbis	64, 64
2019	Denis Shapovalov	Filip Krajinovi	64, 64

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Cam beat Dimitrov in Miami this year, 7-5 7-5, the courts there are also known for slowness in the humidity down in Florida.

Perhaps bodes well - Dimi playing much better currently than back then, though, so going to be a tough old match tomorrow.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Indian Wells worst nightmare - Zverev versus Basilashvili in the semis could be getting close to happening

Jaffa · Challenger level

Its been a cracking match. If he does win itll be one of them where you wish both could lose. But hey, ho