Weeks 40 & 41 - ATP Masters 1000 - BNP Paribas Open, Indian Wells, CA, USA (hard)

indiana · Tennis legend

Weeks 40 & 41 - ATP Masters 1000 - BNP Paribas Open, Indian Wells, CA, USA (hard)

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

JonH comes home wrote:
Indian Wells worst nightmare - Zverev versus Basilashvili in the semis could be getting close to happening

Bas vs Fritz in the other semi. wink

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Massive opportunity for Cam now, both in IW itself, his ranking and in qualifying for Turin. Hope he can take advantage. If he does we wont have a British tennis story like this in so , so longwell, about a month maybe. Ha- heady times

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Its amazing reading the comments threads on the Mike Dickson article on the Mail (yes, I know) how it is all about Cam not being a true Brit, quickly turning to Emma and her background. Its the one thing I hate about British tennis, the way folks quickly turn the xenophobia on and have a go at our top talent, others like Jo as well of course that weve talked about here many times.

So frustrating

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Worryingly Cam is favourite over at Tennis Abstract

www.tennisabstract.com/current/2021ATPIndianWells.html

emmsie69 · Top national player

JonH comes home wrote:
Its amazing reading the comments threads on the Mike Dickson article on the Mail (yes, I know) how it is all about Cam not being a true Brit, quickly turning to Emma and her background. Its the one thing I hate about British tennis, the way folks quickly turn the xenophobia on and have a go at our top talent, others like Jo as well of course that weve talked about here many times.

So frustrating

That's not about tennis, that's the DM. Also worth remembering that a lot of commentators on there aren't from the UK. Think they discovered most of the racist posts on Twitter aimed at footballer were from abroad.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

emmsie69 wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Its amazing reading the comments threads on the Mike Dickson article on the Mail (yes, I know) how it is all about Cam not being a true Brit, quickly turning to Emma and her background. Its the one thing I hate about British tennis, the way folks quickly turn the xenophobia on and have a go at our top talent, others like Jo as well of course that weve talked about here many times.

So frustrating
That's not about tennis, that's the DM. Also worth remembering that a lot of commentators on there aren't from the UK. Think they discovered most of the racist posts on Twitter aimed at footballer were from abroad.

Youre right it is in large part the Daily Mail, but when the BBC have or had their have your say comments it used to descend to the same rhetoric as well. I do think theres a large part of Britain thats racist , we know there is. The type of people who say Im not racist, my mate at work is black or Asian or whatever ,and then go onto to be completely racist. Im not sure where xenophobia becomes racism, they are on the same line to me.

-- Edited by JonH comes home on Saturday 16th of October 2021 09:27:57 AM

KK · Club Coach

JonH comes home wrote:
emmsie69 wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Its amazing reading the comments threads on the Mike Dickson article on the Mail (yes, I know) how it is all about Cam not being a true Brit, quickly turning to Emma and her background. Its the one thing I hate about British tennis, the way folks quickly turn the xenophobia on and have a go at our top talent, others like Jo as well of course that weve talked about here many times.

So frustrating
That's not about tennis, that's the DM. Also worth remembering that a lot of commentators on there aren't from the UK. Think they discovered most of the racist posts on Twitter aimed at footballer were from abroad.
Youre right it is in large part the Daily Mail, but when the BBC have or had their have your say comments it used to descend to the same rhetoric as well. I do think theres a large part of Britain thats racist , we know there is. The type of people who say Im not racist, my mate at work is black or Asian or whatever ,and then go onto to be completely racist. Im not sure where xenophobia becomes racism, they are on the same line to me.

-- Edited by JonH comes home on Saturday 16th of October 2021 09:27:57 AM

I don't think these comments have anything to do with racism. After all those mentioned are largely white. I read it as more to do with knocking Britain as in all our best players are really foreign. Why do we not have any home grown Brits who are good at tennis?

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Emma is home-grown. And she's just won the US Open.

To me, the interesting thing (from a tennis point of view) is where the player did their junior training, which system supported them, and how much so.

So, I see a big difference between (1) Cam Norrie (trained exclusively in NZ until age 17/18, then one year in the UK, then in the US college system - although with some help now via wildcards, coaches, money etc from the LTA) - and (2) Emma Raducanu - trained exclusively in the UK since she first held a racket, 100% under the LTA system.

This big difference is not in my support for them - it's all the same to me - but just in according credit to the system that made it possible i.e. I'm not interested in their parents' nationalities or the fluke of where they were physically born but who facilitated their success, and how.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

KK wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
emmsie69 wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Its amazing reading the comments threads on the Mike Dickson article on the Mail (yes, I know) how it is all about Cam not being a true Brit, quickly turning to Emma and her background. Its the one thing I hate about British tennis, the way folks quickly turn the xenophobia on and have a go at our top talent, others like Jo as well of course that weve talked about here many times.

So frustrating
That's not about tennis, that's the DM. Also worth remembering that a lot of commentators on there aren't from the UK. Think they discovered most of the racist posts on Twitter aimed at footballer were from abroad.
Youre right it is in large part the Daily Mail, but when the BBC have or had their have your say comments it used to descend to the same rhetoric as well. I do think theres a large part of Britain thats racist , we know there is. The type of people who say Im not racist, my mate at work is black or Asian or whatever ,and then go onto to be completely racist. Im not sure where xenophobia becomes racism, they are on the same line to me.

-- Edited by JonH comes home on Saturday 16th of October 2021 09:27:57 AM
I don't think these comments have anything to do with racism. After all those mentioned are largely white. I read it as more to do with knocking Britain as in all our best players are really foreign. Why do we not have any home grown Brits who are good at tennis?

yes, true - but my point is that the people

commenting immediately withdraw their support, not made here, mainly not born here. What about Mo Farah, he never got this type of put down, it seems reserved for our tennis players . The same people having a go at them are probably cheating Mo Salah scoring at Watford just now. So why do we reserve it for our tennis players?

maybe racism is harsh but its not pleasant .

KK · Club Coach

JonH comes home wrote:
KK wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
emmsie69 wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Its amazing reading the comments threads on the Mike Dickson article on the Mail (yes, I know) how it is all about Cam not being a true Brit, quickly turning to Emma and her background. Its the one thing I hate about British tennis, the way folks quickly turn the xenophobia on and have a go at our top talent, others like Jo as well of course that weve talked about here many times.

So frustrating
That's not about tennis, that's the DM. Also worth remembering that a lot of commentators on there aren't from the UK. Think they discovered most of the racist posts on Twitter aimed at footballer were from abroad.
Youre right it is in large part the Daily Mail, but when the BBC have or had their have your say comments it used to descend to the same rhetoric as well. I do think theres a large part of Britain thats racist , we know there is. The type of people who say Im not racist, my mate at work is black or Asian or whatever ,and then go onto to be completely racist. Im not sure where xenophobia becomes racism, they are on the same line to me.

-- Edited by JonH comes home on Saturday 16th of October 2021 09:27:57 AM
I don't think these comments have anything to do with racism. After all those mentioned are largely white. I read it as more to do with knocking Britain as in all our best players are really foreign. Why do we not have any home grown Brits who are good at tennis?
yes, true - but my point is that the people
commenting immediately withdraw their support, not made here, mainly not born here. What about Mo Farah, he never got this type of put down, it seems reserved for our tennis players . The same people having a go at them are probably cheating Mo Salah scoring at Watford just now. So why do we reserve it for our tennis players?

maybe racism is harsh but its not pleasant .

I think this backs up my point - this commentary does not prove 'there's a large part of Britain that's racist' but shows an odd desire to knock British tennis. Quite why, I have no idea. Is it similar to those who derided Tim Henman as a loser because he had not won a Grand Slam rather than recognising he was no 4 in the world?

Nix · Futures level

Let's hope Cam's break of serve to win the first game is an auspicious start.

Neil Gee · Club Coach

Dimitrov V Norrie is on. Tim Henman commits treason and picks Dimitrov to win. I just hope above anything that the game matches the excitement that it has generated here and lives up to its billing (and that Cam wins). I'm excited about this one.

Nix · Futures level

Neil Gee wrote:
Dimitrov V Norrie is on. Tim Henman commits treason and picks Dimitrov to win. I just hope above anything that the game matches the excitement that it has generated here and lives up to its billing (and that Cam wins). I'm excited about this one.

Think he was just being contrary because Greg picked Cam

Neil Gee · Club Coach

Nix wrote:
Neil Gee wrote:
Dimitrov V Norrie is on. Tim Henman commits treason and picks Dimitrov to win. I just hope above anything that the game matches the excitement that it has generated here and lives up to its billing (and that Cam wins). I'm excited about this one.
Think he was just being contrary because Greg picked Cam

You're probably right and to be fair he did add that he hopes Cam wins. It's certainly looking like his hopes maybe justified as Cam goes 3-0 up in the first set. Could we have another shock British winner in the USA to join Emma R. I'm beginning to believe it.