Week 41 - Challenger 80 (€44,820) - Vesuvio Cup, Ercolano (Naples), Italy (clay)

RJH1962 · Intermediate Club Player

RE: Week 41 - Challenger 80 (€44,820) - Vesuvio Cup, Ercolano (Naples), Italy (clay)

Shhh · Challenger level

YasminClarke wrote:
With Jack aside Jay is only GB player under 25 regularly competing in Challenger events.

I thought Ryan Peniston had stepped up the 2nd part of the year?

A suggestion though, you do say you often read the comments here....is a little more feedback possible? Jay is popular on here anyway imo but once a supporter gets a little insight into a player that player quickly become a favourite.....as I say, just a suggestion?

indiana · Tennis legend

RJH1962 wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:

What I meant, Jon, was that you said Yasmin was right and that it was 'well said'.
But we WERE respectful, IMO. Nothing disrespectful or rude had been posted.
I think that to say someone is barely trying is a little disrespectful.

As CD commented what SC actually wrote was "A scoreline like that would seem to imply that Jay was barely trying".

She didn't say that he was barely trying, she was saying that the scoreline could give that impression.

Then it was open for anyone who say did watch it to add further clarification.

-- Edited by indiana on Tuesday 12th of October 2021 04:02:35 PM

YasminClarke · Improver

Absolutely, Id to comment where possible but I rarely travel nowadays because of my little one. Jays current coaching and training situation is complex but were hoping to get a full time coach sorted ASAP. My role is more around logistics and helping Jay to arrange everything behind the scenes.

And further to CDs comment - It really does goes to show how juniors counts for almost nothing as Jay far exceeded anyone else in that age group. I dont think any other player has even played a challenger main draw and yet at U14 we had 3 in the top 10 in Europe and 3 in the top 50 ITF.

And lastly find it pretty shocking that that is still being dwelled on almost three years later. Harriet was more than entitled to share her views, which she did very publicly. She did wonderfully well at Wimbledon this year and she knows all of the Clarke family wish her well and think that shes a fantastic singles and doubles player but yes there were numerous reasons behind the decision to not play together which Jay has never shared publicly so Ill respect his right to privacy and I wont share either.

EDIT - Ryan is doing brilliantly well but I mentioned under 25, I believe hes a 1995, potentially 26?

-- Edited by YasminClarke on Tuesday 12th of October 2021 04:18:12 PM

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

RJH1962 wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:

What I meant, Jon, was that you said Yasmin was right and that it was 'well said'.
But we WERE respectful, IMO. Nothing disrespectful or rude had been posted.
I think that to say someone is barely trying is a little disrespectful.

As Indy says, no one said that

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

RJH1962 wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:

What I meant, Jon, was that you said Yasmin was right and that it was 'well said'.
But we WERE respectful, IMO. Nothing disrespectful or rude had been posted.
I think that to say someone is barely trying is a little disrespectful.

If you're referring to my comment after posting the scoreline, I did NOT say he was barely trying. I said that the scoreline "would seem to imply that Jay was barely trying". As correctly interpreted subsequently by CD, I did not see the match, so was in no position to judge. I was merely commenting on the IMPLICATION of the scoreline. What's disrepectful about that?

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Stircrazy wrote:
RJH1962 wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:

What I meant, Jon, was that you said Yasmin was right and that it was 'well said'.
But we WERE respectful, IMO. Nothing disrespectful or rude had been posted.
I think that to say someone is barely trying is a little disrespectful.
If you're referring to my comment after posting the scoreline, I did NOT say he was barely trying. I said that the scoreline "would seem to imply that Jay was barely trying". As correctly interpreted subsequently by CD, I did not see the match, so was in no position to judge. I was merely commenting on the IMPLICATION of the scoreline. What's disrepectful about that?

Ah, I see that Indy got there while I was typing my reply!

LordBrownof · Futures level

Yasmin - would you mind sharing a little about the search for a new coach - the process, considerations, etc? I know it's a little "inside baseball" but I for one would find it fascinating to get a peek behind the curtain on the process!

theemptyvessel · Club Coach

I would certainly say that we have not written Jay off and of course form and confidence fluctuates over the course of a career. I was just thinking about Liam Broady and how he made top 200 several years ago and then fell off quite badly for 18 months and was almost out of the top 400 and losing in challenger qualies but has found consistency now in his mid twenties and is pushing back up towards hopefully a top 100 spot. I am sure Jay is more than capable of the same and hope for a positive run of form and development for him in the near future.

YasminClarke · Improver

SC totally understand your point but I think in general you need to give the players a little more credit. Whenever Im at an event everyone is working their socks off on and off court. Win or lose everyone is genuinely giving 100% on every point regardless of the outcome. Jay just wasnt good enough today and the other guy was, nothing more to it but the inclination that effort was involved is what frustrated me.

In terms of searching for a coach we have gone through the LTA and IMG to find a number of suitable candidates who ideally can travel/ work 40 weeks a year, have previously worked with top 100/150 players, have ideas on how they can actively improve Jay, ideally can still hit and generally are quite professional overall (and not cost the Earth)! I believe tennis requires a holistic approach, its so much more than just hitting balls so finding someone who you gel with is equally important.

YasminClarke · Improver

Exactly this, success is a journey not a destination after all!

indiana · Tennis legend

Yes, there will be ups and downs and many different paths. And as a forum we especially need more GB men's under 25s truly breaking through to back up Jay and Jack Draper and may both of them push on again.

Re general forum comments, yes folk should be aware who might be reading them, and it's great to have people much more on the inside looking in or even taking part.

So say savage unfair criticism should not occur ( it shouldn't occur anyway ) and to my mind very rarely does and is rebuted if it does.

But as well as praise and encouragement some criticism and speculation often leading to further discussion and debate IMO enriches the forum. Andy Murray has over the years quite often been the target of my own criticism and speculation and he is my favourite player. Possibly like many football supporters we can seem very critical largely because we care. That's why most of us are here.

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:
[...] Possibly like many football supporters we can seem very critical largely because we care. That's why most of us are here.

With many apparently critical posts born of disappointment & sheer frustration as a result!

indiana · Tennis legend

By the way IMO it is clear that not all players give 100% all the time, particularly not on every point. And actually letting a game or even set go to my mind is perfectly valid if they feel it gives them a better chance of winning the match in the end.

The real issue is if someone lets a match go which very occasionally happens. A bit more understandable if near the end of a stuffing.

-- Edited by indiana on Tuesday 12th of October 2021 05:21:31 PM

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:
By the way IMO it is clear that not all players give 100% all the time, particularly not on every point. And actually letting a game or even set go to my mind is perfectly valid if they feel it gives them a better chance of winning the match in the end.

The real issue is if someone lets a match go.

Yes. There is also a fundamental difference between letting a match go, and using a match as a practice for a new scheme of play, say, in competition.

i.e. you don't look as though you're playing your best, maybe deliberately, because actually you're trying out new things, which don't work very well, but it was agreed that this was the match that you were going to try them out.

I think it's naive to think that all players give their utmost in every match.

Indeed, the FFT teaches players to prioritise, so that you accept the fact you can't give your max in every match. And therefore 'dose' yourself, as they say, so you can up the ante just when you need to.

As SC says, fans have a right to criticise. It's obviously not highly informed but that's the definition of a fan, rather than a friend, a family member or a team member - someone on the outside who cheers them on and then gets completely blue and shouts at the screen when it all goes pear-shaped.