Week 41 - Challenger 80 (€44,820) - Vesuvio Cup, Ercolano (Naples), Italy (clay)

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Week 41 - Challenger 80 (€44,820) - Vesuvio Cup, Ercolano (Naples), Italy (clay)

indiana · Tennis legend

JonH comes home wrote:
I hope Yasmin doesnt go and actually leave but I had a question re the fact Jay is playing a lot of clay events currently - is there a reason for that as Id have thought hard suited his game more?

Jay has won more senior titles on clay than hard and the most recent of his 2 challenger titles was on clay. And I have got the impression from hearing him in the past that he wasn't sure what his best surface was.

But yes it would be interesting to hear any strategy behind the surface choices.

-- Edited by indiana on Wednesday 13th of October 2021 05:27:53 PM

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

JonH comes home wrote:
I hope Yasmin doesnt go and actually leave but I had a question re the fact Jay is playing a lot of clay events currently - is there a reason for that as Id have thought hard suited his game more?

I've mentioned before that I thought his style was more suited to clay.

He hits a higher trajectory on the ball, likes to works the point more, is athletic, uses his legs quite well but doesn't take the ball very early, doesn't often hit a flat ball.

Clay is obviously a very good training ground too for learning the art of tennis construction.

EddietheEagle · County player

Paul Hanley would have seemed a solid start what with all his many ATP doubles titles and knowledge of the tour.

A thought. Derby and Nottingham being virtually juxtaposed, why not go and see Tony Pickard, buy him tea and cake somewhere nice with a view to picking his brains? He's in his 80s now but was down at Wimbledon a few years ago so may still be quietly active. With regard to coaches and players as a group, his experience and track record are unrivalled by anyone else in British tennis. What Stefan Edberg achieved with him was amazing and he seems the kind of person who would help in some way, age permitting, with his insight into coaching and performance. A case of one generation reaching out to another, perhaps.

legal-eagle · Improver

Coup Droit wrote:
Emmsie is not bitching.
And she IS a consumer.
She is a consumer of Jay's tennis, in just the same way that people are consumers in a restaurant.
She pays to watch Jay, either directly, or via her tennis tv subscription, or whatever.
And therefore she's saying people have a right to criticise (without being overtly rude).

This is odd logic. A bit like saying I bought a taste card so Im an indirect consumer of Emmsies restaurant, no? Its not like a football team, or a restaurant, where you choose a particular provider of entertainment or food and can criticise them as a paying consumer. I find it slightly iffy to claim Im a consumer of Andy Murrays tennis because I bought a ticket to the Metz ATP 250 smile

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

legal-eagle wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
Emmsie is not bitching.
And she IS a consumer.
She is a consumer of Jay's tennis, in just the same way that people are consumers in a restaurant.
She pays to watch Jay, either directly, or via her tennis tv subscription, or whatever.
And therefore she's saying people have a right to criticise (without being overtly rude).
This is odd logic. A bit like saying I bought a taste card so Im an indirect consumer of Emmsies restaurant, no? Its not like a football team, or a restaurant, where you choose a particular provider of entertainment or food and can criticise them as a paying consumer. I find it slightly iffy to claim Im a consumer of Andy Murrays tennis because I bought a ticket to the Metz ATP 250

Interesting.

But who is the consumer of tennis then?

If it's not the paying fans, then who?

Yasmin implied it was the LTA ("and youre not the consumer, rather a fan, you dont have any link or fund Jay, that would be the lta and his sponsors?") but they're not 'consumers' of tennis (IMO), in the same way that someone's boss is not the consumer of their product/service, the LTA are one of the enablers of tennis, maybe, but not the consumer.

Or are you saying there are no consumers?

In my view, we are the people who pay for tennis TV channels, watch matches, pay entries as spectators, hence encourage sponsors and advertisers, buy tennis books, read tennis articles in newspapers, i.e. it is the paying fans (paying directly and indirectly) who do everything that makes the tennis industry function as a commercial sector.

-- Edited by Coup Droit on Thursday 14th of October 2021 07:57:52 AM

wolf · Tennis legend

Of course we're bloody consumers. smile

Madadman · Masters Series Champion

Jay and partner win 6-3 6-4. Thats a decent win.

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

QF: Jay Clarke & Arjun Kadhe (IND) CR 1267 (1045+222) defeated (1) Harri Heliövaara & Roman Jebavy (FIN/CZE) CR 167 (75+92) by 3 & 4

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Madadman wrote:
Jay and partner win 6-3 6-4. Thats a decent win.

Great result !

indiana · Tennis legend

Good stuff biggrin

Jan · Hall of fame

Well done Jay+ !!

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

A SF spot (and counting) is going to give Jay's doubles ranking a very nice boost

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

SF: Jay Clarke & Arjun Kadhe (IND) CR 1267 (1045+222) vs Marco Bortolotti & Sergio Martos (ITA/ESP) CR 399 (238+161)

Jiwan · Club Coach

YasminClarke wrote:
Clearly touched a nerve here, I was simply replying to her and others posts, but quick to pick up on the negative, hence my initial point
Its a shame but I think its best I leave you all to it as Im sure whatever I say will be misinterpreted! Im a big believer in what my Mum always told us as children .. if you have nothing nice to say .and Ill leave it there

It must be incredibly difficult as a player or someone involved with a player to go on any forum. Nobody knows (except them) what is really going on behind the scenes. Isn't that part of the reason why people are on here though? to discuss, speculate, observe, share etc. If only we had more Yasmins to tell us the actual facts :)

If I was in the public eye though I would avoid forums. It must use up so much energy and be distracting It's also really easy to misread a word let alone a paragraph, we all do it.

Congrats on today's win! that's a cracker!!

-- Edited by Jiwan on Thursday 14th of October 2021 03:55:01 PM