Jaggy1876 wrote:

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Actually just to clarify Schwartzman and Carreno Busta need to win Paris AND Stockholm and the rest to lose every single match.

Happy to correct you as always Indiana.

So no chance. Its 2 spaces between 4, Felix highly unlikely.

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 Actually at the moment, no. For now ( although of course it's unlikely to stay that way ) for each of them winning the Paris title and being runner up or even possibly losing semi finalist ( at least for Schwartznan ) in Stockholm could in theory suffice.

Sinner is currently 8th in the race on 3015 points ( and won't count 10 points just for turning up here since he already has a full 19 counters ).

Schwartzman had 1945 points at 01/11. The Paris title would take him to 1945 + 1000 = 2945. Then RU in Stockholm would take him to 2945 + ( 150 - 10 ) = 3085. Losing SF would take him to 2945 + ( 90 - 10 ) = 3025. Both greater than Sinner's current total. Less 10 because he will have a full 19 counters after Paris.

Carreno Busta had 1925 points at 01/11. The Paris title would take him to 1925 + 1000 = 2925. Then RU in Stockholm would take him to 2925 + 150 = 3075, greater than Sinner's current total. Losing SF would take him to 2925 + 90 = 3015, level with Sinner's current total ( I can't be bothered checking for now who would win that hypothetical tie on points ).

LOL !

Jaggy1876 wrote:

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Im assuming you are forgetting that Sinner etc will start in the last 16 in Stockholm?

LOL

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 I thought you were ending this conversation.

1) It's a 56 man tournament. Sinner as a top 8 seed will start in the L32.

2) If he loses in the L32, ie wins no matches, he only gets 10 pounts. He has to win a match or matches to get the points commensurate with the round he reaches eg. 90 points if he loses in the L16 .

Maybe quit while you are behind. I don't mind at all being disagreed with ( I am known to be wrong  ) but if when disagreeing you are going to add smart comments ( in general fine too ) it's probably quite a good idea to be really sure of your ground.  Good fun though   

I don't follow the rankings permutations. And I've no idea how big the draw is, or what difference that would make.

But for those who do, and like the stats, it's all a question of details. So it's not being pedantic to insist on those details. And there's no point being rude to those who are following the details. Or rude to anyone really.

And it's not a question of gut feel, who's most likely to make it and qualify. That's a separate topic. This (if I understood it right) is who COULD possibly make it, not who is likely to.

Sorry to have caused trouble! For what it is worth a) 7 could make the last 2 space b) realistically only 4 can!!

Ha.

MORE importantly, I am sure all including Jaggy would agree is that Jamie and Bruno are now effectively home to the Tour Finals. Bolelli and Gonzalez lost today which means the next team that could catch Jamie and Bruno are Behar and Escobar who are around 900 points behind. Job effectively done and we will have Joe and Jamie and partners in Turin

Ruud managed to get a very comfortable win over Bublik - who beat Evo - last night and gets a jump on the other 6 potential contenders. The other 6 all play today; if any of FAA, Schwartzman or PCB lose their matches then they are definitively out, however slim their chances are at the moment.

Should be an interesting day of following the scores.

ATP havent called the Doubles yet, although Live Tennis is calling it. The 4 pairs left in that Race are:

7th Krawietz and Tecau 3110 points - need 80 points more to definitely qualify which is one more win
8th Murray and Soares 2915 points - need 275 points more to definitely qualify but assumes the pairs below them dont lose anymore matches, which clearly cant happen.
10th Behar and Escobar 2030 points - can reach 2940 in Paris plus 250 in Stockholm = 3190 max
11th Gille and Vliegen 1840 points - can reach 2750 in Paris plus 250 in Stockholm = 3000 max.

All others are out although I have a question mark re Polasek and Peers - they could still qualify points wise but as Polasek is already qualified with his ex partner Dodig, it seems he is being taken out of the list with Peers?