Joe moving in on world no.1 status and I don't think he gets the credit in the British press due to Jamie Murray's connections.

JonH comes home wrote:

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Semis today

Djoko v Zverev. Played 4 times in 2021. 3-1 to Djoko. On each occasion the player losing the first set goes on to win the match. So expect a 3 set match with the winner coming from behind. Of course, that wont happen now!

Medvedev is 2-0 this year on Ruud.

Hard to not see anything other than a Djoko v Medvedev final.

Joe and Rajeev versus Mektic and Pavic. Two top pairs in world. Joe and Rajeev are only semifinalists at 3-0 on week and I reckon they have the form and fight ; Herbert and Mahut seem a v close second to them and Im going on them joining them in the final and a re match from earlier in the week.

Look out for all of these being wrong !

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 Medvedev got the singles semi in straight sets. 

Stircrazy wrote:

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Final

(3) Pierre-Hugues Herbert & Nicolas Mahut (FRA/FRA) CR 16 (9+7) vs (2) Rajeev Ram (USA) & Joe Salisbury CR 7 (4+3)

 

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 Repeat and joe and Rajeev won in the group. Will be tough but what an opportunity !

JonH comes home wrote:

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Seeds 2 v 3 in both finals as Zverev beats Djoko.

Joe and Rajeev go at around 1.30 pm. Go Joe!

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 Has the Next Gen finally arrived ? Beginning to look like it !

the addict wrote:

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JonH comes home wrote:

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Seeds 2 v 3 in both finals as Zverev beats Djoko.

Joe and Rajeev go at around 1.30 pm. Go Joe!

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 Has the Next Gen finally arrived ? Beginning to look like it !

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 Arguably kind of by default by just being there as the Golden Generation has become depleted ( although Djokovic has again been the top player of the year ) and the New Generation is not quite ready yet 

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The last four winners at the Atp Finals have been Dimitrov, Zverev, Tsitsipas and Medvedev, so far this has only translated into one Grand Slam title.

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 One thing become more and more transparent is how the 5 set slam format differs from 3 set play - 3 set matches can often go long, 3 hours plus but having the mental and physical consistency to battle 7 best of 5 over two weeks is something that many of the current crop just dont have - they dont play 5 sets anywhere else other than slams. At least Andy et al played Davis Cup and some Masters matches/finals where best of 5 earlier in their careers. None of the next gen play 5 sets at all. 

In terms of WTF, it also comes at end of a long hard season and to be honest , we have discussed this here before, often flatters to deceive. A couple of years back at O2, was it 2017 or 2018, none of the group matches went beyond 2 sets or had an upset result. Players gave up, effectively, after the first set. Maybe end November isnt the long term answer for it, nor the group format. I always loved the old WCT Finals in Dallas, and The Grand SLam Cup in Munich - knockout, 8/16 players, best of 5 (or at least best of 5 semis and final) and play it outside of Nov/Dec - it may be year end but lets be innovative, play it in say Feb or March!  

Joe and Rajeev lost the final 6-4 7-6 , the French just had too much for them today. Still good week and as mentioned first British tour finals final appearance in doubles . Well done Joe