Week 24 - LTA Wimbledon Wild Card Play-Offs - Aorangi Park, London, Great Britain (grass)

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Week 24 - LTA Wimbledon Wild Card Play-Offs - Aorangi Park, London, Great Britain (grass)

DavidC · Tennis legend

JonH comes home wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
There's precedent for it - the LTA have certainly done it before.

My own feeling is that unlikely for Josh but Charlie may well have a chance - it's a little difficult to justify one semi-finalist and not the other but Charlie is 440 or whatever in the world - it's a reasonable call, whatever, and a lot more justifiable

Given Dan Cox beat Charlie at Ilkley and had to miss the play offs, Id still like to think he also has a chance of one of those two spots. Although whether playing Eastbourne scuppers that?

To be under consideration Dan would have to lose in Eastbourne before the qWCs are finalised. Given the Eastbourne qWC I would be surprised if Dan were to be given a Wimbledon qWC as well, even if he loses today

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

DavidC wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
There's precedent for it - the LTA have certainly done it before.

My own feeling is that unlikely for Josh but Charlie may well have a chance - it's a little difficult to justify one semi-finalist and not the other but Charlie is 440 or whatever in the world - it's a reasonable call, whatever, and a lot more justifiable

Given Dan Cox beat Charlie at Ilkley and had to miss the play offs, Id still like to think he also has a chance of one of those two spots. Although whether playing Eastbourne scuppers that?
To be under consideration Dan would have to lose in Eastbourne before the qWCs are finalised. Given the Eastbourne qWC I would be surprised if Dan were to be given a Wimbledon qWC as well, even if he loses today

Of the players outside the elite few hes had the best grass season by far with more wins than anyone else. Still think hes been hard done by ! if he had lost to Charlie broom at Ilkley , hed have played here and qualified with no issues. Shame

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Anyway it wont happen for Dan so lets hope he can make the most of the Wastbourne opportunity !

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

JonH comes home wrote:
Anyway it wont happen for Dan so lets hope he can make the most of the Wastbourne opportunity !

"Wastbourne"?!!! wink

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Stircrazy wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Anyway it wont happen for Dan so lets hope he can make the most of the Wastbourne opportunity !
"Wastbourne"?!!!

Next to each other on the keyboard!

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Coup Droit wrote:
There's precedent for it - the LTA have certainly done it before.

My own feeling is that unlikely for Josh but Charlie may well have a chance - it's a little difficult to justify one semi-finalist and not the other but Charlie is 440 or whatever in the world - it's a reasonable call, whatever, and a lot more justifiable

As expected, Charlie got the call up, for an additional wildcard slot, but not Josh......

Jaggy1876 · Grand Slam Champion

Again though Josh hasnt exactly set the heather alight this year has he? Its a difficult damned if you do damned if you dont scenario here. My suggestion elsewhere for QWC to be awarded based on either British Tour or even say if we counted the number of wins in home ITF tournaments. That would maybe be better, the likes of Harry Wendelken and Oscar Weightman etc.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Jaggy1876 wrote:
Again though Josh hasnt exactly set the heather alight this year has he? Its a difficult damned if you do damned if you dont scenario here. My suggestion elsewhere for QWC to be awarded based on either British Tour or even say if we counted the number of wins in home ITF tournaments. That would maybe be better, the likes of Harry Wendelken and Oscar Weightman etc.

Yes, I think that's a really good idea.

The French introduced it about three years ago

All the domestic tournaments give points and the winner gets a md wc (hence Leolia jeanjean)

Obviously it works at quali wc level too

There are many ways you could do it

I'd even be In favour of a complete ringer tombola prize draw - anyone with an ATP ranking - great story, even if they lose

pauldepstein · Social player

The list of qualifiers is out now -- www.wimbledon.com/pdf/update/referees/2022/QS_Entries.pdf
I'm a bit confused about the process, now. This is how I see it:
There were five WCs allocated before the LTA playoffs. Then 2 more who won the playoffs. Then Charlie Broom as the higher ranking losing finalist.
This makes 8.
So there are basically three types of wildcard: Pre-LTA-playoff, Winning from LTA-playoff. Post-LTA playoff.
And the numerical breakdown seems to be 5, 2, 1.
My point of confusion is that I remember seeing that there were actually two Post-LTA playoff WC allocations.
I'm thinking that there was a final wildcard that was simply not allocated?

Even though the women's and men's events seem to be running parallel to each other with the sole difference
being the obvious one of the men playing longer matches (other than in the LTA playoff), women's qualifying
only has 7 wildcards whereas the men have 8. Accordingly, among the women, it was only the actual winners
of the LTA playoffs -- Mcdonald and Brogan, who got the LTA-playoff wildcards.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

There are 9 wildcard spots for both men and women
But one hasn't been used in the men and two haven't been used in the women
So it's next on the entry list for those instead

indiana · Tennis legend

Yes, there were no specific pre and post play-off allocations.

Just there was a maximum of 9 Q WCs, 2 of which were to go to the play-off winners.

As it happened, for both the men and women 5 were initially awarded pre the play-offs, the play-offs took it to 7, and 2 were left to be allocated wholly, partly or not at all as Wimbledon saw fit ( though as has been said, all the other Slams do allocate all their possible WCs and Q WCs )

With the men, they have allocated one more ( to Charles Broom ) and left the other unallocated. So the first alt on the MD entry has taken the place as a DE, basically the next in ranking line.

With the women, the first two alts have now got in as DEs rather than two final Q WCs being allocated.

Kind of what CD said When some folk doing my old department's Christmas Booklet made up a competition to see if folk could recognise the team leaders by pictures, I wasn't represented as a bag of waffles for nothing.

-- Edited by indiana on Saturday 18th of June 2022 09:19:28 PM

Jaffa · Challenger level

Only thing I would say with Dan is he is getting on now and spends a lot of time in European leagues trying to make money.

As a result hes not doing it the traditional way and I suspect thats why hes not got one.

(In my view, thats wrong by the way, Im just saying hes an outsider)

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:
Yes, there were no specific pre and post play-off allocations.
Just there was a maximum of 9 Q WCs, 2 of which were to go to the play-off winners.
As it happened, for both the men and women 5 were initially awarded pre the play-offs, the play-offs took it to 7, and 2 were left to be allocated wholly, partly or not at all as Wimbledon saw fit ( though as has been said, all the other Slams do allocate all their possible WCs and Q WCs )
With the men, they have allocated one more ( to Charles Broom ) and left the other unallocated. So the first alt on the MD entry has taken the place as a DE, basically the next in ranking line.
With the women, the first two alts have now got in as DEs rather than two final Q WCs being allocated.

Kind of what CD said When some folk doing my old department's Christmas Booklet made up a competition to see if folk could recognise the team leaders by pictures, I wasn't represented as a bag of waffles for nothing.

-- Edited by indiana on Saturday 18th of June 2022 09:19:28 PM

LOL

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pauldepstein · Social player

For the qualies (but not the main draw), I see that all the wildcards went to Brits.
The problem with that (assuming that other Slams do the same thing) is that it introduces an unfair bias towards all players who are
citizens of countries which host a slam (GB/US/FRA/AUS).
So I think one qualifying wildcard (2 for the women) could go to the best remaining
players of non-slam-hosting countries.