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RE: Week 37 - ITF M25+H - Plaisir, France (indoor hard)


Stircrazy wrote:

L16:  (4) Pierre Delage & Louis Dussin (FRA/FRA) CR 2216 (849+1367) vs Sean Hodkin & Adam Jones CR 3147 (1431+1716)

L16:  James Markiewicz & Michael Shaw UNR (1343+0) vs (WC) Shiva Swaroop Jayagopi & Matthieu Richerd (IND/FRA) UNR
L16:  Hervé Antchandie & Mikalai Haliak (FRA/***) UNR (0+714) vs (2) Ben Jones & Joshua Paris CR 831 (323+508)


 Ben Jones and Josh Paris won, 6-1 6-3

 

SC, I completely 100% support everyone doing their draws, and results, and whatever in the format that they like - if others like it differently, let them do theirs differently

But, because we've 'known' each other a long time, I just thought I'd put it out there:

You like to put the players in order as per the draw

BUT a draw is formatted around a horizontal axis

So a 16-slot draw has a top eight and a bottom eight, not a straight list of 16

So in a text version the top half should be read as upper player v lower player

But the bottom half is lower player v upper player

This is why you can never have the second seeds listed as second, as per with Ben and Josh 

Reading it as per the draw, Ben & Josh should be first as they are in the bottom half so it's lower player first - which makes sense as then all your seeds come first, which makes it consistent  

(PS this has nothing to do with listing GB players first or not - just how a draw is formatted and hence the logic of how the text version is written)

 

Again, this is NOT a complaint or anything, just a comment on something, just possibly, that hadn't been considered....

 

 



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Coup Droit wrote:
SC, I completely 100% support everyone doing their draws, and results, and whatever in the format that they like - if others like it differently, let them do theirs differently

But, because we've 'known' each other a long time, I just thought I'd put it out there:

You like to put the players in order as per the draw

BUT a draw is formatted around a horizontal axis

So a 16-slot draw has a top eight and a bottom eight, not a straight list of 16

So in a text version the top half should be read as upper player v lower player

But the bottom half is lower player v upper player

This is why you can never have the second seeds listed as second, as per with Ben and Josh 

Reading it as per the draw, Ben & Josh should be first as they are in the bottom half so it's lower player first - which makes sense as then all your seeds come first, which makes it consistent  

(PS this has nothing to do with listing GB players first or not - just how a draw is formatted and hence the logic of how the text version is written)

 

Again, this is NOT a complaint or anything, just a comment on something, just possibly, that hadn't been considered....


Sorry, but you've lost me completely!



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Stircrazy wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
SC, I completely 100% support everyone doing their draws, and results, and whatever in the format that they like - if others like it differently, let them do theirs differently

But, because we've 'known' each other a long time, I just thought I'd put it out there:

You like to put the players in order as per the draw

BUT a draw is formatted around a horizontal axis

So a 16-slot draw has a top eight and a bottom eight, not a straight list of 16

So in a text version the top half should be read as upper player v lower player

But the bottom half is lower player v upper player

This is why you can never have the second seeds listed as second, as per with Ben and Josh 

Reading it as per the draw, Ben & Josh should be first as they are in the bottom half so it's lower player first - which makes sense as then all your seeds come first, which makes it consistent  

(PS this has nothing to do with listing GB players first or not - just how a draw is formatted and hence the logic of how the text version is written)

 

Again, this is NOT a complaint or anything, just a comment on something, just possibly, that hadn't been considered....


Sorry, but you've lost me completely!


 Sorry, SC - and it's not really important

Just that for a correct text version of a tennis draw, when there are pairs of players, the top half should be written as player on the upper line v player on the lower line whereas the bottom half of the draw should be bottom line player v player on the line above

Or in terms of numbers: 

For a 8 player draw it's:

1 v 2

3 v 4

6 v 5

8 v 7

 

Hence, the top seed is 1 - he gets listed  first

the second seed is 8 - he also gets listed first 

As the two halves are a mirror image, with a horizontal axis

 

UNLIKE if you do them just as a list where you get 

1 v 2

3 v 4

5 v 6

7 v 8

which results in the top seeds being listed first in their pair but the second seeds getting listed second in their pairing 

 

But, again, not important.....  

 



-- Edited by Coup Droit on Tuesday 13th of September 2022 11:14:59 AM

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L16: (4) Pierre Delage & Louis Dussin (FRA/FRA) CR 2216 (849+1367) def. Sean Hodkin & Adam Jones CR 3147 (61431+1716) 6-2 6-2

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L16: James Markiewicz & Michael Shaw UNR (1343+0) def. (WC) Shiva Swaroop Jayagopi & Matthieu Richerd (IND/FRA) UNR 6-3 6-4

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Wowzer, that's a great result for Sean

L32: Q) Sean Hodkin WR 1947 def. Mikalai Haliak (***) WR 842 6-2 6-2

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QF:  James Markiewicz & Michael Shaw UNR (1343+0) vs (2) Ben Jones & Joshua Paris CR 831 (323+508)



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QF:  (2) Ben Jones & Joshua Paris CR 831 (323+508) defeated James Markiewicz & Michael Shaw UNR (1343+0) by 3-6 7-6(1) [10-7]



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L16:  (LL) Arslanbek Temirhanov (SWE) WR 1264 vs (Q) Sean Hodkin WR 1947

A repeat of the FQR, in which Sean, the q10, beat the Swede, the q5, in three sets.  The latter has just beaten the local seventh seed, in three sets.



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SF:  (3) Constantin Bittoun Kouzmine & Maxence Broville (FRA/FRA) CR 1538 (469+1069) vs (2) Ben Jones & Joshua Paris CR 831 (323+508)



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L16:  (Q) Sean Hodkin WR 1947 defeated (LL) Arslanbek Temirhanov (SWE) WR 1264 by 7-5 4-6 6-3  biggrin

Sean's best performance for quite some time, I imagine, but unlikely to progress any further:

QF:  (Q) Sean Hodkin WR 1947 vs (3) Antoine Hoang (FRA) WR 474 (CH = 98 in Augusst 2019)



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SF:  (3) Constantin Bittoun Kouzmine & Maxence Broville (FRA/FRA) CR 1538 (469+1069) defeated (2) Ben Jones & Joshua Paris CR 831 (323+508) by 7-6(5) 6-3   bleh



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As I feared:

QF:  (3) Antoine Hoang (FRA) WR 474 defeated (Q) Sean Hodkin WR 1947 by 6-1 7-6(7)

Handed Hoang match point on a plate in the tie-break by serving a double fault.  hmm



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