Week 46 - ATP Finals - Turin, Italy (indoor hard)

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Week 46 - ATP Finals - Turin, Italy (indoor hard)

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

RR3: (6) Lloyd Glasspool & Harri Heliövaara (FIN) CR 26 (12+14) defeated (7) Marcel Granollers & Horacio Zeballos (ESP/ARG) CR 28 (16+12) by 0 & 4 smile

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Marvellous !

LordBrownof · Futures level

Comprehensive!

Madadman · Masters Series Champion

I make it that Lloyd and Harri are qualified as should Joe and Rajeev lose and all 3 are tied on 2 points. Lloyd and Harri will have the edge on at least one team on set percentage from what I can work out. A set for Joe and Rajeev will I think qualify them. A two set defeat will put it down to games percentage which will get interesting, tight set defeats I think Joe and Rajeev will just have the edge.

indiana · Tennis legend

Yes, definitely through and in fact Lloyd & Harri will now win the group as best on sets won % if it goes to 3 pairs on 2 wins.

Joe & Rajeev indeed need a set and they are through too. But f they lose 0-2 and are then level on sets won % with Rojer & Arevalo does H2H then not kick in then rather than games % for two pairs tied at that point and so they would lose out?

Current standings :

Glasspool & Helliovaara : matches 2-1 sets 4-2

Ram & Salisbury : matches 2-0 sets 4-1
Roger & Arevalo-G : matches 1-1 sets 2-3

Granollers & Zeballos : matches 0-3 sets 2-6

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:
Yes, definitely through and in fact Lloyd & Harri will now win the group as best on sets won % if it goes to 3 pairs on 2 wins.

Joe & Rajeev indeed need a set and they are through too. But f they lose 0-2 and are then level on sets won % with Rojer & Arevalo does H2H then not kick in then rather than games % for two pairs tied at that point and so they would lose out?

Current standings :

Glasspool & Helliovaara : matches 2-1 sets 4-2

Ram & Salisbury : matches 2-0 sets 4-1
Roger & Arevalo-G : matches 1-1 sets 2-3

Granollers & Zeballos : matches 0-3 sets 2-6

this is where the tie break situations all get murky for me. When do H2H kick into the process!? I guess we will find out later. Best thing is for Joe and Rajeev to just win a set or , better still, just win the match!

Welll done Lloyd and Harri on getting through! I was just about to work it out so glad someone has done it!

indiana · Tennis legend

I'd rather prefer we didn't find out later for I think I have got it right. At least I am sure that has been the position previously.

Can't kick in initially for 3 on W2 L1 since they've won and lost against each other. But if you go to sets and it separates one pair then it's on H2H between the other 2 pairs, err I think.

The real fun' would have been if Lloyd and Harri had lost a set with the potential then for all 3 pairs to finish with sets 4-3. I'd imagine a 6-0 set win would then have been quite handy.

Yes, Joe & Rajeev, just win a set, preferably the first.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:
I'd rather prefer we didn't find out later for I think I have got it right. At least I am sure that has been the position previously.

Can't kick in initially for 3 on W2 L1 since they've won and lost against each other. But if you go to sets and it separates one pair then it's on H2H between the other 2 pairs, err I think.

The real fun' would have been if Lloyd and Harri had lost a set with the potential then for all 3 pairs to finish with sets 4-3. I'd imagine a 6-0 set win would then have been quite handy.

Yes, Joe & Rajeev, just win a set, preferably the first.

All makes sense and , yep, I think it works that way you describe.

In singles, Rafa beats Ruud - doesnt impact anything as Rafa is out and Ruud is through regardless, but interesting result nonetheless.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:
I'd rather prefer we didn't find out later for I think I have got it right. At least I am sure that has been the position previously.

Can't kick in initially for 3 on W2 L1 since they've won and lost against each other. But if you go to sets and it separates one pair then it's on H2H between the other 2 pairs, err I think.

The real fun' would have been if Lloyd and Harri had lost a set with the potential then for all 3 pairs to finish with sets 4-3. I'd imagine a 6-0 set win would then have been quite handy.

Yes, Joe & Rajeev, just win a set, preferably the first.

Down 5-2 at the moment in the opening set...

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Lost the opener , 6-3. 3 all second set. Basically, whoever wins the second set is through. Whoever loses is out. A lot riding on a few games!

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Neal and Wes on opening match tomorrow, again. Worlds top ranked pair not getting a single evening session? Mmm.

wolf · Tennis legend

From the ATP finals website.

4) If M. AREVALO / J. ROJER defeat R. RAM / J. SALISBURY in 2 sets and L. GLASSPOOL / H. HELIOVAARA defeat M. GRANOLLERS / H. ZEBALLOS in 2 sets, then L. GLASSPOOL / H. HELIOVAARA win the group and M. AREVALO / J. ROJER qualify 2nd.

And

Comment 4: 3 players have 2 wins and the other player has 0 wins. The player with 0 wins is eliminated. Of the 3 players with 2 wins, 1 players sets won-loss is 5-2 for 71.43%; the other 2 players both have a 4-3 record in sets for 57.14%. In this case there is 1 superior player (71.43%) and the remaining 2 players are tied; it now reverts to the head to head result of the 2 remaining players with the winning player advancing as group runner-up.

So Joe and Rajeev definitely need a set here.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

wolf wrote:
From the ATP finals website.

4) If M. AREVALO / J. ROJER defeat R. RAM / J. SALISBURY in 2 sets and L. GLASSPOOL / H. HELIOVAARA defeat M. GRANOLLERS / H. ZEBALLOS in 2 sets, then L. GLASSPOOL / H. HELIOVAARA win the group and M. AREVALO / J. ROJER qualify 2nd.
And
Comment 4: 3 players have 2 wins and the other player has 0 wins. The player with 0 wins is eliminated. Of the 3 players with 2 wins, 1 players sets won-loss is 5-2 for 71.43%; the other 2 players both have a 4-3 record in sets for 57.14%. In this case there is 1 superior player (71.43%) and the remaining 2 players are tied; it now reverts to the head to head result of the 2 remaining players with the winning player advancing as group runner-up.

Yep , Indy was right . And right now , it is 4-5 15-30 to Joe and Rajeev

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Make that 30 all. Going to the wire