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dodrade wrote:

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hoots wrote:

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dodrade wrote:

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Coup Droit wrote:

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I have the feeling the person to miss out will be Harriet

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 Looking more and more like it.....

She's also three years older than Katie Swan and Jodie Burrage (both born 1999)

(although the same age as Katie B)

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 Her tantrum towards Katie won't have done her any favours either.

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 It was hardly a ''tantrum''.The whole matter has been overblown , She should get one of the WC's

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 Hard to believe the LTA didn't have Harriet in mind when they made a point of posting this after the final...

https://twitter.com/the_LTA/status/1670436879483674629?s=20

You conveniently ignored my comment saying that it was hardly a ''tantrum'' which calling someone unprofessional certainly isn't. Indiana is right about your latest comment re Katie B and Jodie

-- Edited by dodrade on Sunday 18th of June 2023 11:59:34 PM

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 Semantics. Ironically Harriets outburst was unprofessional, but its all very easy for us to comment from our sofas, not in their position, so no lasting judgement from me. These things happen. 

Anyway - I now think theyre all getting WC, just maybe not all confirmed until later this week, and they all should. I feel for Lily!!

Worth remembering, mind you, that the women's system is way more generous for qualifying in terms of points

                    ATP         WTA

1st round      10 points 10 points £55,000
R3 Qualifying 16 points 30 points £36,000
R2 Qualifying 8 points   20 points £21,750
R1 Qualifying 0 points   2 points £12,750

The money obviously is clear - far better to be directly in R1. As is the prestige.

But a wildcard going into the main draw is expected to lose. Of course, you might get a lucky draw, or play especially well. But it's odds-on that you'll lose, and so get 10 points

But a win in QR1 for the women gets 20 points, and a win in QR2 gets them 30

And, of course, with their rankings (and recent level) they would be expected to win

Coup Droit wrote:

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Worth remembering, mind you, that the women's system is way more generous for qualifying in terms of points

                    ATP         WTA

1st round      10 points 10 points £55,000
R3 Qualifying 16 points 30 points £36,000
R2 Qualifying 8 points   20 points £21,750
R1 Qualifying 0 points   2 points £12,750

The money obviously is clear - far better to be directly in R1. As is the prestige.

But a wildcard going into the main draw is expected to lose. Of course, you might get a lucky draw, or play especially well. But it's odds-on that you'll lose, and so get 10 points

But a win in QR1 for the women gets 20 points, and a win in QR2 gets them 30

And, of course, with their rankings (and recent level) they would be expected to win

-- Edited by Coup Droit on Monday 19th of June 2023 10:08:19 AM

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 CD, just to be clear, is the 10 WTA points for a R1 loss, just for the MD direct entrants (including WC's)?

The qualifiers would just be content with the 30 WTA points gained for reaching R1, if they lost in that round?

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No, I believe that if you lose the QR3 you get 30 points, and if you win the QR3 and make the main draw but then lose in R1 you get 40 points

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Thanks for the clarification, CD.

It's something I'm perpetually confused about. Though it still seems a bit inequitable, a player only receiving 10 extra points for winning the Q3 match, which is likely to have been the toughest challenge.

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Well its only really Harriet that has a big ranking drop. Katie and Jodie only won 1 round at Eastbourne.

And of course they can now only gain points from this week, Eastbourne and Wimbledon.

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 They both reached round 3, beating Pliskova and Badosa in round 2 respectively. And indeed the can, the rankings being a week out of sync throws up opportunities.

I'm just making the point that in the joy of Nottingham it's easy to forget just how many big wins all the girls racked up on the grass last year, and actually if they hadn't gone on these runs last week some of the rankings would be looking quite gloomy.