Week 32 - ITF M25 - Baotou, China (indoor clay)

Brendan F · Lower Club Player

RE: Week 32 - ITF M25 - Baotou, China (indoor clay)

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

JonH comes home wrote:
the addict wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:
L32: (WC) Tang Kyle Lok Yin (MAC) UNR vs (LL) Mattias Southcombe WR 2017
Thats a very interesting name, Kyle amidst the other names?! Is MAC , Macedonia? Is heritage sounds very eclectic ?!
It is Macau - and Mattias won the match
Thanks TA - I hadnt realised Macau stood as a separate nationality as opposed to PRC? Out of touch with status! Does HKG stand alone still for tennis nations or is that consumed into PRC?

Macao isn't a sovereign nation, but a sub-national division of China, a special administrative region of the PRC, like Hong Kong, & a Portuguese colony until Portugal handed it back in 1999, a couple of years after our 99-year lease on the New Territories ended & we transferred the sovereignty of the whole of Hong Kong back to China; both territories allegedly have the right to determine their own future under the International Covenant on Civil & Political Rights. Macao seems to have managed to keep a lower profile than Hong Kong on the international stage, though whether that's because the latter's status as a former British colony means that we inevitably hear more about events there, I wouldn't like to say.

I went on holiday to Hong Kong just before it was handed back, having been given a taste for it on a Cathay Pacific flight to Melbourne & having just enough time to leave the airport (then Kai Tak) & go up Victoria Peak. The trip included a few days' stay in Macau, staying at the Mandarin Oriental, if I remember correctly. I don't know how much it will have changed in the 20 odd years since, but the old part then bore more than a few traces of centuries of Portuguese possession. I even managed to find a couple of bottles of my favourite vinho verde, Casal Garcia, in a little grocer's shop to bring home with me. smile

Curiously, the ATP shows Mr Tang as representing China! I used "MAC" because that's how the ITF showed it (as does SofaScore). (North) Macedonia is "MKD".

P.S. I think you meant "subsumed". wink

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Stircrazy wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
the addict wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:
L32: (WC) Tang Kyle Lok Yin (MAC) UNR vs (LL) Mattias Southcombe WR 2017
Thats a very interesting name, Kyle amidst the other names?! Is MAC , Macedonia? Is heritage sounds very eclectic ?!
It is Macau - and Mattias won the match
Thanks TA - I hadnt realised Macau stood as a separate nationality as opposed to PRC? Out of touch with status! Does HKG stand alone still for tennis nations or is that consumed into PRC?
Macau isn't a sovereign nation, but a sub-national division of China, a special administrative region of the PRC, like Hong Kong, & a Portuguese colony until Portugal handed it back in 1999, a couple of years after our 99-year lease on the New Territories ended & we transferred the sovereignty of the whole of Hong Kong back to China; both territories allegedly have the right to determine their own future under the International Covenant on Civil & Political Rights. Macau seems to have managed to keep a lower profile than Hong Kong on the international stage, though whether that's because the latter's status as a former British colony means that we inevitably hear more about events there, I wouldn't like to say.
I went on holiday to Hong Kong just before it was handed back, having been given a taste for it on a Cathay Pacific flight to Melbourne & having just enough time to leave the airport (then Kai Tak) & go up Victoria Peak. The trip included a few days' stay in Macau, staying at the Mandarin Oriental, if I remember correctly. I don't know how much it will have changed in the 20 odd years since, but the old part then bore more than a few traces of centuries of Portuguese possession. I even managed to find a couple of bottles of my favourite vinho verde, Casal Garcia, in a little grocer's shop to bring home with me.
Curiously, the ATP shows Mr Tang as representing China! I used "MAC" because that's how the ITF showed it (as does SofaScore). (North) Macedonia is "MKD".
P.S. I think you meant "subsumed".

Thank you SC, yes, subsumed! Although consumed might be appropriate?!

The explanation above was very interesting, I enjoyed that, thankyou. I went to HKG in around 1991 or so for a few days and enjoyed it very much; keep thinking to go back but since it became Chinese, have been less engaged in the idea.

Didn't Macau have a liberal view on gambling and become a destination a la Vegas etc for tourists to South East Asia who wanted to participate?!

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

JonH comes home wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
the addict wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:
L32: (WC) Tang Kyle Lok Yin (MAC) UNR vs (LL) Mattias Southcombe WR 2017
Thats a very interesting name, Kyle amidst the other names?! Is MAC , Macedonia? Is heritage sounds very eclectic ?!
It is Macau - and Mattias won the match
Thanks TA - I hadnt realised Macau stood as a separate nationality as opposed to PRC? Out of touch with status! Does HKG stand alone still for tennis nations or is that consumed into PRC?
Macao isn't a sovereign nation, but a sub-national division of China, a special administrative region of the PRC, like Hong Kong, & a Portuguese colony until Portugal handed it back in 1999, a couple of years after our 99-year lease on the New Territories ended & we transferred the sovereignty of the whole of Hong Kong back to China; both territories allegedly have the right to determine their own future under the International Covenant on Civil & Political Rights. Macau seems to have managed to keep a lower profile than Hong Kong on the international stage, though whether that's because the latter's status as a former British colony means that we inevitably hear more about events there, I wouldn't like to say.
I went on holiday to Hong Kong just before it was handed back, having been given a taste for it on a Cathay Pacific flight to Melbourne & having just enough time to leave the airport (then Kai Tak) & go up Victoria Peak. The trip included a few days' stay in Macao, staying at the Mandarin Oriental, if I remember correctly. I don't know how much it will have changed in the 20 odd years since, but the old part then bore more than a few traces of centuries of Portuguese possession. I even managed to find a couple of bottles of my favourite vinho verde, Casal Garcia, in a little grocer's shop to bring home with me.
Curiously, the ATP shows Mr Tang as representing China! I used "MAC" because that's how the ITF showed it (as does SofaScore). (North) Macedonia is "MKD".
P.S. I think you meant "subsumed".
Thank you SC, yes, subsumed! Although consumed might be appropriate?!
The explanation above was very interesting, I enjoyed that, thankyou. I went to HKG in around 1991 or so for a few days and enjoyed it very much; keep thinking to go back but since it became Chinese, have been less engaged in the idea.

Didn't Macau have a liberal view on gambling and become a destination a la Vegas etc for tourists to South East Asia who wanted to participate?!

"Consumed by" would have been sort of appropriate, but you wrote "consumed into", which doesn't work & which is why I suggested "subsumed". That said, it's a bit weak, not packing quite the expressive punch of, say, "swallowed up". wink

I've toyed with the idea of going back to Hong Kong if only to see how much it has changed since I was there, but there's no way I'd consider boosting the Chinese government's coffers through such a trip. I found HK island & Lantao (the big Buddha) fascinating, especially Victoria Peak & Stanley Market, but I found the locals' inability to respect other people's personal space a bit hard to stomach. The 90's holiday also included a day trip up the Pearl River into China (by boat - or was it hovercraft? - for the first leg) which eventually ended in Canton (Guangzhou) & the bureaucracy involved in visa-checking when we first disembarked on Chinese soil at about the half-way mark (rest of the way to Canton by road, train all the way back to HK) was really off-putting. I can't think things will have improved much, if at all, in that respect, particularly in the current political climate.

The Chinese will bet on anything, but Macao is the only place in the country where casinos are legal (you can hardly move without coming across one, packed to the gills at any time of the day), so it attracts huge numbers of Chinese & Hong Kongers. We were told that it was known as the Monte-Carlo of the East!

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Stircrazy wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
the addict wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:
L32: (WC) Tang Kyle Lok Yin (MAC) UNR vs (LL) Mattias Southcombe WR 2017
Thats a very interesting name, Kyle amidst the other names?! Is MAC , Macedonia? Is heritage sounds very eclectic ?!
It is Macau - and Mattias won the match
Thanks TA - I hadnt realised Macau stood as a separate nationality as opposed to PRC? Out of touch with status! Does HKG stand alone still for tennis nations or is that consumed into PRC?
Macao isn't a sovereign nation, but a sub-national division of China, a special administrative region of the PRC, like Hong Kong, & a Portuguese colony until Portugal handed it back in 1999, a couple of years after our 99-year lease on the New Territories ended & we transferred the sovereignty of the whole of Hong Kong back to China; both territories allegedly have the right to determine their own future under the International Covenant on Civil & Political Rights. Macau seems to have managed to keep a lower profile than Hong Kong on the international stage, though whether that's because the latter's status as a former British colony means that we inevitably hear more about events there, I wouldn't like to say.
I went on holiday to Hong Kong just before it was handed back, having been given a taste for it on a Cathay Pacific flight to Melbourne & having just enough time to leave the airport (then Kai Tak) & go up Victoria Peak. The trip included a few days' stay in Macao, staying at the Mandarin Oriental, if I remember correctly. I don't know how much it will have changed in the 20 odd years since, but the old part then bore more than a few traces of centuries of Portuguese possession. I even managed to find a couple of bottles of my favourite vinho verde, Casal Garcia, in a little grocer's shop to bring home with me.
Curiously, the ATP shows Mr Tang as representing China! I used "MAC" because that's how the ITF showed it (as does SofaScore). (North) Macedonia is "MKD".
P.S. I think you meant "subsumed".
Thank you SC, yes, subsumed! Although consumed might be appropriate?!
The explanation above was very interesting, I enjoyed that, thankyou. I went to HKG in around 1991 or so for a few days and enjoyed it very much; keep thinking to go back but since it became Chinese, have been less engaged in the idea.

Didn't Macau have a liberal view on gambling and become a destination a la Vegas etc for tourists to South East Asia who wanted to participate?!
"Consumed by" would have been sort of appropriate, but you wrote "consumed into", which doesn't work & which is why I suggested "subsumed". That said, it's a bit weak, not packing quite the expressive punch of, say, "swallowed up".
I've toyed with the idea of going back to Hong Kong if only to see how much it has changed since I was there, but there's no way I'd consider boosting the Chinese government's coffers through such a trip. I found HK island & Lantao (the big Buddha) fascinating, especially Victoria Peak & Stanley Market, but I found the locals' inability to respect other people's personal space a bit hard to stomach. The 90's holiday also included a day trip up the Pearl River into China (by boat - or was it hovercraft? - for the first leg) which eventually ended in Canton (Guangzhou) & the bureaucracy involved in visa-checking when we first disembarked on Chinese soil at about the half-way mark (rest of the way to Canton by road, train all the way back to HK) was really off-putting. I can't think things will have improved much, if at all, in that respect, particularly in the current political climate.
The Chinese will bet on anything, but Macao is the only place in the country where casinos are legal (you can hardly move without coming across one, packed to the gills at any time of the day), so it attracts huge numbers of Chinese & Hong Kongers. We were told that it was known as the Monte-Carlo of the East!

That sounds fascinating ! I used to work for British Airways back in the late 80s and early to mid 90s and went there on staff discount flights with my parents and brother. Cant recall hotel but it was a very touristy stay and we did all the tourist things like the star ferry, the markets , up on the train to top of Mount Victoria, Victoria Park Etc. bought the obligatory knock off Rolex!

i was struck by the closeness of the buildings on the city bus tour, and as the plane came in to land how your could virtually reach out and touch someones kitchen work surface as you flew by. But it was all tourist trap stuff and little culture or society stuff Im afraid!

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Mattias lost his doubles match to the top seeds

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Coup Droit wrote:
Mattias lost his doubles match to the top seeds

L16: (1) Ray Ho & Evan Zhu (TPE/USA) CR 1019 (273+746) defeated Mattias Southcombe & Zhang Linghao (CHN) UNR (858+0) by 7-6(2) 6-1

Not exactly unexpected....

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Mattias got in again as a LL

But lost to Duckhee Lee, 3-6 4-6