British Tennis Forum - Celebrating 20 Years!

DavidC · Tennis legend

RE: Boys & Girls: 2025 French Open, clay (Week 23)

Lambda · ATP level

Coup Droit wrote:
If I understand correctly, a key thing for Hannah in the year to come will be the number of adult tournaments she can participate in - which is not the same as the Junior Accelerator Programme, as those are like wildcards but count towards the total

The basic for a 16 year-old is 12.

As a Grand Slam finalist, she's now guaranteed one extra event i.e. 13

But if she finishes in the top-5, she gets bumped up to the max number i.e. 16 (you can't then keep your extra one i.e. 17 because 16 is max for everyone)

So, she's already got an uptick but needs the top-5 place in particular - although, of course, she's soon 17 after that, so it's just a question of extra adult tournaments in that time period, in Australia, say.

By making a Grand Slam final, she also gets an extra wildcard WTA/ITF allowance i.e. it's normally 4 and now goes up to 5

That's if I understand it correctly

Just to clarify, if she were to finish top 5 at year end, she would get 4 additional adult tournaments and 2 additional WCs over the standard allowance in each birth year she remains of junior age. In any birth year the most additional tournaments a player is allowed is 4 and the most extra wild cards is 2. So while you're correct in what you say that she wouldn't be able to play more than 16 tournaments while she is 16, its worth pointing out that as a 17 year old her adult tournament allowance would increase from the standard 16 to 20 tournaments. She wouldn't get any extra WCs as there are no AER limits on WCs as a 17 year.

dodrade · Futures qualifying

indiana wrote:
Well done to Hannah on a great tournament ( who a few months ago would have expected a French Open final? ) and sometimes you just have to say "Too good!"

Be very interesting to watch both girls' continuing development.

Especially given she was already being written off here by some just a couple of weeks ago.

Var · Futures qualifying

dodrade wrote:
indiana wrote:
Well done to Hannah on a great tournament ( who a few months ago would have expected a French Open final? ) and sometimes you just have to say "Too good!"

Be very interesting to watch both girls' continuing development.
Especially given she was already being written off here by some just a couple of weeks ago.

I dont think it is about writing off. TBH Hannah has had a pretty poor year for her. We all know enough about her tremendous talent such that she would return to her winning ways given a bit of time. Surprising though she chose the clay to achieve her greatest result in a GS. Surely a measure of her talent and potential. Now we know she is back. Well done Hannah. Love the grass!

indiana · Tennis legend

I like to get a feel for young players' talent when at their best and then expect drops for periods or fluctuations at least, often largely because of things going on in their lives that we have no idea about.

The biggie about Hannah always was that she had indeed shown that talent. Same with Mika, whose form of late has also been commented on.

Deucebag · Intermediate Club Player

A big well done to Hannah Klugman with this achievement. I wish more British girls would spend the time to get the experience on this surface. Probably a much tougher achievement to get to the final of Roland Garros juniors than even winning a junior slam on the other surfaces. Again well done Hannah..

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

tennissweetspot.substack.com/p/kids-these-days

Hannah says juniors are just practice

And Lilli Tagger also has her eyes on the big prize:

Lilli Tagger, also with a Junior Grand Slam title in the pocket, puts the work to do above the titles to clinch in her age group. Of course, we get a better confidence, and it's an amazing thing to win a Grand Slam, but it's more important how we continue to work, how we're working, instead of maybe winning a Grand Slam as juniors. The goal is to come to play the normal seniors tournament.

But highlights the 'falseness' on tour:

Tagger, who was thrilled to receive a message from fellow Austrian Dominic Thiem after winning Roland-Garros, shared her candid thoughts on how she suddenly gained many friends on the Tour. I didn't change a lot, but the other players dont watch me the same now. Maybe before, they didn't really care about me, now they come to watch me, try to understand what I'm doing, and are maybe also a bit happy when I lose. The first week after I won in Paris, everyone suddenly acted like they were my best friends. I was like, "I never heard from you, and now you are like my best friend? So you need to understand who the people are that you really like staying with, because suddenly everyone wants to be with you.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Meanwhile, Lilli has just beaten a player ranked about 150 in the world, 6-2 6-0 !

Oscariyan · Club Coach

Big take: I feel like she is going to be world number 1 in a few years... so similar to Swiatek. She's got that ruthless aura.

-- Edited by Oscariyan on Friday 8th of August 2025 03:05:50 PM