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Wimbledon wildcard - men

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

seagull wrote:
Arthur Fery has been upgraded to a main draw wildcard.

Oh good !

Who gets his quali one?

seagull · Hall of fame

Coup Droit wrote:
seagull wrote:
Arthur Fery has been upgraded to a main draw wildcard.
Oh good !
Who gets his quali one?

Its showing as 4 places for wildcard play offs!

Danny1312 · Intermediate Club Player

Great news had mentioned previously I hoped for this :)

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

seagull wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
seagull wrote:
Arthur Fery has been upgraded to a main draw wildcard.
Oh good !
Who gets his quali one?
Its showing as 4 places for wildcard play offs!

Wow !!!

Brilliant

(And it stops them having to play anotherer round of matches when it's a hot Friday and all the officials want to the go home )

pauldepstein · Junior player

JonH comes home wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
Just for info and context, I believe that the prizemoney this year is:

QR1 loss - £15.5 k

QR2 loss - £26 k

FQR loss - £41.5k
and then £66k if they somehow make it to the main event!
One technical question that fascinates me is: How are lucky losers paid? Do they still get the 41.5k FQR money despite being in the main draw?
I have asked this question a few times on various forums but no one seems to know. Lucky losers are almost certainly not celebrities so it should be possible
to hunt down their email addresses (for example via linkedin) and ask them directly, but it's probably an inappropriate question.

Paul Epstein

Good money, for sure, in these slams and BIG money for these players at this level.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

I am pretty sure a lucky loser will get bumped up to get the £66k (ie £41.5k plus £14.5k extra) - they wont get £107.5k I am afraid. Same for a FQR winner, they just get the £66k, like all players in first round main draw

Lambda · ATP level

Lucky losers get prize money only for the main draw. If they are replacing a player who has withdrawn on site and is eligible to receive 50% of R1 prize money, then the LL gets main draw prize money for the round reached minus the prize money paid to the withdrawing player.

indiana · Tennis legend

I do feel that Jan has rather lost out here with Monday, Crawford, Pinnington Jones, Loffhagen, Searle, and Fery all getting MD WCs ahead of him.

I wonder if the fact that he is a Q DE so not using up a WC was an issue ( particularly this year with them all being allocated ) and whether it should have been?

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Lambda wrote:
Lucky losers get prize money only for the main draw. If they are replacing a player who has withdrawn on site and is eligible to receive 50% of R1 prize money, then the LL gets main draw prize money for the round reached minus the prize money paid to the withdrawing player.

OK but the LL would have got £41k

But they get bumped up to the MD where, assuming they lose, they get their £66k

BUT IF the withdrawing player is entitled to 50% and that 50% is taken off the LL prize money, then the LL will get 66k - 33k i.e. 33k

Which is less than the 41k they would have got as a FQR

That's how I read the post but that doesn't make sense - what am I missing?

indiana · Tennis legend

Coup Droit wrote:
Lambda wrote:
Lucky losers get prize money only for the main draw. If they are replacing a player who has withdrawn on site and is eligible to receive 50% of R1 prize money, then the LL gets main draw prize money for the round reached minus the prize money paid to the withdrawing player.
OK but the LL would have got £41k
But they get bumped up to the MD where, assuming they lose, they get their £66k
BUT IF the withdrawing player is entitled to 50% and that 50% is taken off the LL prize money, then the LL will get 66k - 33k i.e. 33k
Which is less than the 41k they would have got as a FQR
That's how I read the post but that doesn't make sense - what am I missing?

Yes, surely should get £41K at least, whatever the withdrawing player's circumstances.

pauldepstein · Junior player

indiana wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
Lambda wrote:
Lucky losers get prize money only for the main draw. If they are replacing a player who has withdrawn on site and is eligible to receive 50% of R1 prize money, then the LL gets main draw prize money for the round reached minus the prize money paid to the withdrawing player.
OK but the LL would have got £41k
But they get bumped up to the MD where, assuming they lose, they get their £66k
BUT IF the withdrawing player is entitled to 50% and that 50% is taken off the LL prize money, then the LL will get 66k - 33k i.e. 33k
Which is less than the 41k they would have got as a FQR
That's how I read the post but that doesn't make sense - what am I missing?
Yes, surely has to get £41K at least, whatever the withdrawing player's circumstances.

I might be out-of-date but one historic rule that not everyone knows is that if you win the first round through a default and lose in the second round, you get paid as a first round loser. I remember seeing notices to that effect. Maybe that's the rule people are thinking of but misapplying somehow.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Coup Droit wrote:
Lambda wrote:
Lucky losers get prize money only for the main draw. If they are replacing a player who has withdrawn on site and is eligible to receive 50% of R1 prize money, then the LL gets main draw prize money for the round reached minus the prize money paid to the withdrawing player.
OK but the LL would have got £41k
But they get bumped up to the MD where, assuming they lose, they get their £66k
BUT IF the withdrawing player is entitled to 50% and that 50% is taken off the LL prize money, then the LL will get 66k - 33k i.e. 33k
Which is less than the 41k they would have got as a FQR
That's how I read the post but that doesn't make sense - what am I missing?

The ATP rule book says

The Lucky Loser replacing a player who has withdrawn on-site shall receive qualifying prize money earned plus money earned in the main draw minus the prize money paid to the withdrawing player.

So my reading of that is the player would get the £41k (qualifying prize money earned) plus £66k for losing round one, minus whatever is paid to the withdrawing player, ie £33k , so the LL would get £74k? Which I am not sure is correct but could be and isnt the same as how Lamda wrote it above...very confusing

indiana · Tennis legend

Also normal qualifiers surely only get MD R1 money ( so I didn't really follow Lambda's "LLs get prize money only for the MD" bit nor Jon's ATP rulebook quote ).

Nobody losing in MD R1 gets more than MD R1 money?

-- Edited by indiana on Friday 20th of June 2025 09:42:46 PM

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

here is the excerpt from the grand slam rule book - this is clearer - a lucky loser will get the £66k first round money if they lose first round; it is a replacement DA or alternate who gives up half their money, not a lucky loser

www.itftennis.com/media/5986/grand-slam-rulebook-2025-f.pdf

The Lucky Loser replacing a player who has withdrawn on-site as above
shall receive only Main Draw prize money for the round(s) in which
they compete.
c. A player who withdraws from the Qualifying singles competition prior
to his/her first match shall receive 50% of the first-round Qualifying
prize money if the following conditions are met:
i. The withdrawal must occur after 10:00am on the day of the
Qualifying Draw.
ii. The player must be on-site, or at a location approved by the
Referee, at the time of the withdrawal and must be declared unfit
to play by the Tournament Doctor.
iii. Players who withdraw on-site become eligible to receive 50% of
the first-round Qualifying prize money only if they have
competed in one tournament in the twenty-one (21) days before
the commencement of the Qualifying week for the Grand Slam
Tournament.
iv. Each player is limited to two (2) Grand Slam Tournaments in a
calendar year where he/she may receive prize money for the onsite withdrawal.
d. The Alternate/Direct Acceptance replacing a player who has withdrawn
on-site as above shall receive prize money earned minus the prize
money paid to the withdrawing player.