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PaulM · Tennis legend

Weeks 27 & 28 - The Championships, Wimbledon (Womens') (grass) - main draw

Peter too · Tennis legend

R4: Sonay Kartal (GBR) WR51 lost to Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova (***) WR50 6-7(3) 4-6

Neil Gee · County player

PaulM wrote:
A much cleaner set from Pavs but a little disappointed Sonay seemed to think trading from the back through the middle was going to be a good idea. Guess she'd have been starting to tire and feel it a little.

Nevertheless, another wonderful tournament. So good.

A good run for Sonay, Paul, a very good run.

Var · Futures qualifying

PaulM wrote:
A much cleaner set from Pavs but a little disappointed Sonay seemed to think trading from the back through the middle was going to be a good idea. Guess she'd have been starting to tire and feel it a little.

Nevertheless, another wonderful tournament. So good.

I think Sonay played a great tournament. Interesting she said in the off season she was looking to revert to a more flowing service motion rather than the staccato action she currently has. Inferred the injury which led to this change seems to have been resolved. That should help her game.

Peter too · Tennis legend

Live rankings now has Katie at 40, Sonay 44 and Emma 45.

-- Edited by Peter too on Sunday 6th of July 2025 02:50:10 PM

PaulM · Tennis legend

Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could get Emma, Sonay and Katie seeded for the US Open?! Not undoable!

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Good week for Sonay, well done to her

Jan · Hall of fame

I missed all this. Would have loved Sonay to go further, but what a great week for her!

thegingerlightbulb · Intermediate Club Player

I am really impressed with Soney. Lovely game to watch and a really tenacious player. Obviously can still improve but that is fine as she is still young. Here is the thing- I think she should have given the game to her opponent at 4-4. She knew that she should have lost that point and whilst it is not her place to make that decision it clearly fired Pav up
and gave her a sense of injustice that clearly motivated her. I think Soney could have just given her the game as it was still on serve and then felt some degree of moral high ground motivation herself. Maybe that is a crazy idea but Ihe mental side of the game is often more than half the battle and Soney had the game to win that match. To be clear, I don't think she did anything wrong, but just do the right thing and let kama play itself out.

christ · Futures level

thegingerlightbulb wrote:
I am really impressed with Soney. Lovely game to watch and a really tenacious player. Obviously can still improve but that is fine as she is still young. Here is the thing- I think she should have given the game to her opponent at 4-4. She knew that she should have lost that point and whilst it is not her place to make that decision it clearly fired Pav up
and gave her a sense of injustice that clearly motivated her. I think Soney could have just given her the game as it was still on serve and then felt some degree of moral high ground motivation herself. Maybe that is a crazy idea but Ihe mental side of the game is often more than half the battle and Soney had the game to win that match. To be clear, I don't think she did anything wrong, but just do the right thing and let kama play itself out.

How did she know that she should have lost that point? She may have suspected, when she saw the TV replay, but I don't think that there was any way that she could know.

Ms Raducanu was convinced that there were many points that she should have won when the electronics denied her: should her opponent have conceded them too?

It does show the limitations of having a system with no backup - at least real people were backed up by the electronics, nowadays they are flying without a safety net.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

christ wrote:
thegingerlightbulb wrote:
I am really impressed with Soney. Lovely game to watch and a really tenacious player. Obviously can still improve but that is fine as she is still young. Here is the thing- I think she should have given the game to her opponent at 4-4. She knew that she should have lost that point and whilst it is not her place to make that decision it clearly fired Pav up
and gave her a sense of injustice that clearly motivated her. I think Soney could have just given her the game as it was still on serve and then felt some degree of moral high ground motivation herself. Maybe that is a crazy idea but Ihe mental side of the game is often more than half the battle and Soney had the game to win that match. To be clear, I don't think she did anything wrong, but just do the right thing and let kama play itself out.
How did she know that she should have lost that point? She may have suspected, when she saw the TV replay, but I don't think that there was any way that she could know.
Ms Raducanu was convinced that there were many points that she should have won when the electronics denied her: should her opponent have conceded them too?
It does show the limitations of having a system with no backup - at least real people were backed up by the electronics, nowadays they are flying without a safety net.

But the electronics they were backed up with are exactly are exactly the ones you're worried about having here

it's the same

And we had TONS of bad line calls when plauers had used their three challenges (even assuming that those hawkeyes were correct anyway) and weren't overturned by the umpire and hawkeye then shows the call was wrong

Having just one wrong call here is still way better than what we had before

(And Sonay would have known her ball was long - firstly it was at least 3-4 inches long, she probably felt it, but she only had to ask her team, they'd have inidcated it was long, everyone saw it and knew it was long. I'm not saying she was wrong not to concede it but I don't think it was close and her team would have seen it, as well as the umpire)

-- Edited by Coup Droit on Sunday 6th of July 2025 04:06:42 PM

Mervatron2 · Challenger level

Cracking tournament for Sonay. I think we forget that she hasnt even been a top 200 player for 12 months, let alone top 100.

I suspect shell play Canadian open and Cincinnati qualifying now and the. The US open. New experience for her and she continues to rise.

Jeff Stelling · Club Coach

thegingerlightbulb wrote:
I am really impressed with Soney. Lovely game to watch and a really tenacious player. Obviously can still improve but that is fine as she is still young. Here is the thing- I think she should have given the game to her opponent at 4-4. She knew that she should have lost that point and whilst it is not her place to make that decision it clearly fired Pav up
and gave her a sense of injustice that clearly motivated her. I think Soney could have just given her the game as it was still on serve and then felt some degree of moral high ground motivation herself. Maybe that is a crazy idea but Ihe mental side of the game is often more than half the battle and Soney had the game to win that match. To be clear, I don't think she did anything wrong, but just do the right thing and let kama play itself out.

It was hardly Murray trading on the anguish of a ball boy versus Troicki at RG was it.

thegingerlightbulb · Intermediate Club Player

Tbh I'm not familiar with that one! As I said, she did nothing wrong, but I think she would have known it was out, just stand to the left and let Pav several the game out to an empty court and move on, don't let a caney opponent 11 years older get a psychological edge. Not a moral thing for me, I just think it hurt her in them long run.

Jeff Stelling · Club Coach

An interesting angle that I had not considered.