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RE: Potential GB women in Aus Open qualifying

the addict · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:
Is there any link to confirm these earlier entry dates?

I've been searching around and I haven't managed to find anything yet that supercedes the dates quoted in the ITF Grand Slam Rulebook.

As you are well aware this states "The closing date for entries and withdrawals for the singles Main Draw in each Grand Slam Tournament is forty-two (42) days prior to the first Monday of the tournament except that a player on the Alternate list for the singles Main Draw may withdraw at any time prior to such time as he is moved into the Direct Acceptance on account of withdrawals of other players. The closing date for entries and withdrawals for the
Singles Qualifying tournaments is twenty-eight (28) days prior to the first Monday of the tournament." (My highlights)

Lambda · Top national player

I've not seen anything official but I have heard murmurings that the ATP will use the rankings on 17 November for main draw, qualifying and doubles entries into all Australian Summer events for. Entry deadlines will not change is what I heard, just which ranking week is used. Not sure what the WTA are doing.

In the Australian Open wildcard points race for Australians, the 17 November ATP rankings will be used to determine who gets the men's wildcard if there is a points tie which could back up the rumours. Tennis Australia is using 1 December rankings to decide a tie-break for the women, which is the rankings immediately after the completion of the points race so the WTA entries may just be the usual rankings at the entry deadline.

9vicman · Futures level

Apologies all. I've partly got the wrong end of the stick. Entry deadlines are unchanged, but ATP.(only) using 8 week rankings for all events.

indiana · Tennis legend

Thanks 9vicman for that. I wouldn't have liked my initial post to be largely irrelevant

Now, hopefully we can add some women to Harriet in qualifying, though hopefully not add Katie B.

emmsie69 · Masters Series Champion

I liked the system they used in Australia during 2021 where they allocated players to tournaments in the run up to the Australian Open.

Andy Parker · Club Coach

I was trying to work out how many points will actually be needed to get a qualifying spot.

My working out is based on the top 104 players getting direct entry (I'm ignoring anyone able to claim special ranking dispensation because of injury) and therefore the next 120 players raniked from 105 to 224 getting in to the qualies by right. In case that sounds strange to anyone, of course the remaining spots to make the tournament will be made up of 16 qualifiers and 8 wildcards.

I am assuming that all the wildcards will be Australian, but when you look at the current players ranked between 105 and 224, there are a staggering 10 Aussies - Hon, Gibson, Sharma, Saville, Inglis, Jones, Rodionova, Aiava, Gadecki and Preston - with Carbrera also ranked at 229.

If you therefore look at the current live ranked player at 224, it is the Japanese Wakana Sonobe who has 322 points. Given that there are normally a handful of withdrawals and some players who have been injured getting through by special ranking, plus the Aussies from 105 to 224 getting wildcards, I wonder if the cut off may be around the current world number 230 - which is at the moment, Monica Barthel on 314 points.

So given that points go up and down for all players, I am wondering iwhether the actual cut off will be around 314 points. If so, that means Jodie, Lily and Mimi, who will be in the 270's when points drop off, still have a lot to do to get enough points to qualify, and I would think that Katie S and Marni are now too far away.

Lots of people on here know far more than me, so what does everyone think - is the realistic cut off for qualifying around 314 points?

I also wonder who will be able to use a protected ranking to gain slots in the main draw and qualifying. Any idea of who and how many players are likely to get in through this method.

One bright note, I think, is that it is easy to forget that we should have Emma, Sonay, Fran and Katie B in the main draw - which is a good achievement I think.

-- Edited by Andy Parker on Sunday 9th of November 2025 01:21:25 AM

emmsie69 · Masters Series Champion

Unless Katie B plays again before cut off, she'll almost certainly, atleast initially, be in the qualifying draw. I don't think Marni will make it. Katie S has 3 tournaments in Australia to play so still all to play for.
I know people don't agree but there are a couple of tournaments in December that Katie could enter. If she doesn't have much success in the next 3 tournaments then I doubt she'd bother but, if she has a couple of good runs and is sitting around the 245-250 mark, quite frankly, she'd be mad not to go for it.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

emmsie69 wrote:
Unless Katie B plays again before cut off, she'll almost certainly, atleast initially, be in the qualifying draw. I don't think Marni will make it. Katie S has 3 tournaments in Australia to play so still all to play for.
I know people don't agree but there are a couple of tournaments in December that Katie could enter. If she doesn't have much success in the next 3 tournaments then I doubt she'd bother but, if she has a couple of good runs and is sitting around the 245-250 mark, quite frankly, she'd be mad not to go for it.

As mentioned in her individual thread the other day. Katie and Sonay are entered for the first of those two events, Angers

https://www.wtatennis.com/tournaments/2056/angers-125/2025/player-list

9vicman · Futures level

So in continuing to go down this rabbit hole:

An entry deadline for Australian Open Qualifying three weeks before qualifying is insane. I know it's like that every year, but it's insane. And you've now got a situation where for qualies men will use rankings from 7 weeks out and women 3 weeks out.

For women, you have five weeks of really weak WTA125 events in Latin America which could skew the rankings. There's only one ITF100 event during this period - and that's in Japan.

Interesting to see Katie and Sonay both entered into Angers. It would surprise me to see either play unless Katie is fit and wants to make a last gasp effort to get into the main draw of Melbourne. Anyone known what happened to Sonay at end of season - it ended so abruptly that I wondered if she was injured.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

9vicman wrote:
So in continuing to go down this rabbit hole:

An entry deadline for Australian Open Qualifying three weeks before qualifying is insane. I know it's like that every year, but it's insane. And you've now got a situation where for qualies men will use rankings from 7 weeks out and women 3 weeks out.

For women, you have five weeks of really weak WTA125 events in Latin America which could skew the rankings. There's only one ITF100 event during this period - and that's in Japan.

Interesting to see Katie and Sonay both entered into Angers. It would surprise me to see either play unless Katie is fit and wants to make a last gasp effort to get into the main draw of Melbourne. Anyone known what happened to Sonay at end of season - it ended so abruptly that I wondered if she was injured.

Agree 3 weeks out makes no real sense in cold light of day - knowing whether you need to schlep down under is one thing, but also things like Visa's etc at such short notice, for those players ranked down at that level.

Which makes me think, why dont they just make the whole entry thing a 7 weeks instead of 3 - I know it harms players going on the up close to events, but we can surely accommodate that through maybe holding back 2 or 4 entries for the 3 week deadline for "rising" players, and just make 7 weeks the entry norm for at least all the slam events?

indiana · Tennis legend

Andy Parker wrote:
I was trying to work out how many points will actually be needed to get a qualifying spot.

My working out is based on the top 104 players getting direct entry (I'm ignoring anyone able to claim special ranking dispensation because of injury) and therefore the next 120 players raniked from 105 to 224 getting in to the qualies by right. In case that sounds strange to anyone, of course the remaining spots to make the tournament will be made up of 16 qualifiers and 8 wildcards.

I am assuming that all the wildcards will be Australian, but when you look at the current players ranked between 105 and 224, there are a staggering 10 Aussies - Hon, Gibson, Sharma, Saville, Inglis, Jones, Rodionova, Aiava, Gadecki and Preston - with Carbrera also ranked at 229.

If you therefore look at the current live ranked player at 224, it is the Japanese Wakana Sonobe who has 322 points. Given that there are normally a handful of withdrawals and some players who have been injured getting through by special ranking, plus the Aussies from 105 to 224 getting wildcards, I wonder if the cut off may be around the current world number 230 - which is at the moment, Monica Barthel on 314 points.
So given that points go up and down for all players, I am wondering iwhether the actual cut off will be around 314 points. If so, that means Jodie, Lily and Mimi, who will be in the 270's when points drop off, still have a lot to do to get enough points to qualify, and I would think that Katie S and Marni are now too far away.

Lots of people on here know far more than me, so what does everyone think - is the realistic cut off for qualifying around 314 points?

I also wonder who will be able to use a protected ranking to gain slots in the main draw and qualifying. Any idea of who and how many players are likely to get in through this method.

One bright note, I think, is that it is easy to forget that we should have Emma, Sonay, Fran and Katie B in the main draw - which is a good achievement I think.

-- Edited by Andy Parker on Sunday 9th of November 2025 01:21:25 AM

I can certainly see the cut-off being around the WR 230 mark in the way you have set out. Though of course there are these variables in regard to such as SRs for injuries and withdrawals.

Then the points for a particular ranking can vary quite a bit - eg. WR 230 was on 299 points at 22/09 and on 316 points at 03/11. And in general there is no reason the points should be higher or lower at any particular time since the points are built over a 12 month period. Much of it will just be randomness as to how the points and rankings line up at the specific date.

I've generally gone with about 320 points so in the same ballpark. Might be lower ( might even be higher ) and I think there are occasional years it gone out quite a bit with late withdrawals.

I think the players aiming to get into Aus Open Q, and with a genuine chance, just have to do what they can do, win matches and earn ranking points, and definitely do enough or hope they will have done enough.

Yes, 4 as direct entrants to the MD would be great, well I would think pretty much unprecedented this century at least. Though, as has been said, Katie B, hovering around WR 100, is not secure at the moment.

HarryGem · Club Coach

Andy Parker wrote:
I was trying to work out how many points will actually be needed to get a qualifying spot.

My working out is based on the top 104 players getting direct entry (I'm ignoring anyone able to claim special ranking dispensation because of injury) and therefore the next 120 players raniked from 105 to 224 getting in to the qualies by right. In case that sounds strange to anyone, of course the remaining spots to make the tournament will be made up of 16 qualifiers and 8 wildcards.

I am assuming that all the wildcards will be Australian, but when you look at the current players ranked between 105 and 224, there are a staggering 10 Aussies - Hon, Gibson, Sharma, Saville, Inglis, Jones, Rodionova, Aiava, Gadecki and Preston - with Carbrera also ranked at 229.

If you therefore look at the current live ranked player at 224, it is the Japanese Wakana Sonobe who has 322 points. Given that there are normally a handful of withdrawals and some players who have been injured getting through by special ranking, plus the Aussies from 105 to 224 getting wildcards, I wonder if the cut off may be around the current world number 230 - which is at the moment, Monica Barthel on 314 points.
So given that points go up and down for all players, I am wondering iwhether the actual cut off will be around 314 points. If so, that means Jodie, Lily and Mimi, who will be in the 270's when points drop off, still have a lot to do to get enough points to qualify, and I would think that Katie S and Marni are now too far away.

Lots of people on here know far more than me, so what does everyone think - is the realistic cut off for qualifying around 314 points?

I also wonder who will be able to use a protected ranking to gain slots in the main draw and qualifying. Any idea of who and how many players are likely to get in through this method.

One bright note, I think, is that it is easy to forget that we should have Emma, Sonay, Fran and Katie B in the main draw - which is a good achievement I think.

-- Edited by Andy Parker on Sunday 9th of November 2025 01:21:25 AM

Saville is pregnant with the baby due in March so she won't be playing next year.

Does anyone know how many special entry players there are with a ranking in the top 100 and who would therefore bump down Katie B?

Andy Parker · Club Coach

Many thanks Indiana for the kind reply and updates and I share Harry Gem's question about who will get a special entry, as that is quite important for Katie B and for our potential qualifiers.

Crystal ball gazing is great fun to do, but given all the variables, working out how much is required is very complicated, I think.

If Saville is pregnant, then that still leaves 10 Aussies currently ranked between 105 and 230 competing for wildcard spots, so someone will be very disappointed. Having watched Preston a couple of times this year, I have been impressed and must say I would be a little sad for her, if she doesn't get one of the spots. I seem to remember Rodionova missing out in a previous year when expected to get one.

Hopefully Katie B will sneak into the main draw, but it is going to be tight I think, unless she can get some more points on the board.

Not much happening in terms of actual Brits in tournaments right now, so it will all become clear quite late, I think.

Lambda · Top national player

Only 5 of the wild cards will go to Australians. The others will go to an American, French and a non Australian from the Asia Pacific region. 1 of the 5 Australian wild cards go to the Australian with the most points from the Australian ITFs over the next 3 weeks. But none of that really changes anything, they'll still go to women that will be in the top 220.