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HarryGem


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Coup Droit wrote:

There are two ways to look at Ella's match as far as I'm concerned

Yes, she was very close, and her team were behind her all the way, and she played some very good tennis, and likes to mix it up i.e. sometimes hitting full-force first serves and sometimes rolling in slicey lefty first serves - it's not classic, I'm not convinced by it, but it's a clear choice, and often is effective (although looks awful when it goes wrong)

And she obviously was having a little problem with her hip and leg, and movement (and had an MTO for it)

So all that is very encouraging

The other side is that her team (a female coach and a guy who looked like a physical trainer) were working SO hard - every point, but every point, they're shouting: keep the energy up, Ella; push up; move on up the court; show more commitment; energy, Ella, energy...it was endless
And the point was they needed to do this because Ella was constantly wilting and looking dispirited
And it worked well, which is great, that's what a coach is for

But part of you thought it's just like taking a toddler for a walk: come on, good walking, nearly there, you can do it, not much more to go.....

I mean, she's 20 years old, surely she shouldn't need to be coaxed and cajooled through each and every point - can't she keep her own energy up, for goodness sake?

 I think this has become quite common, both in the men's' and women's game since courtside coaching has been allowed. I watch more women's tennis than men and it really is a bit tiresome at times. Ella is still young and quite inexperienced buy it was very obvious in Emma Raducanu's matches at Queens and other more established players seem to require this type of encouragement/intervention. basically players being told where to serve the ball etc etc.  All part of the game now I guess.



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I'm inclined to agree, HarryGem having seen similar atittudes in uni students a few years ago

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HarryGem wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:

There are two ways to look at Ella's match as far as I'm concerned

Yes, she was very close, and her team were behind her all the way, and she played some very good tennis, and likes to mix it up i.e. sometimes hitting full-force first serves and sometimes rolling in slicey lefty first serves - it's not classic, I'm not convinced by it, but it's a clear choice, and often is effective (although looks awful when it goes wrong)

And she obviously was having a little problem with her hip and leg, and movement (and had an MTO for it)

So all that is very encouraging

The other side is that her team (a female coach and a guy who looked like a physical trainer) were working SO hard - every point, but every point, they're shouting: keep the energy up, Ella; push up; move on up the court; show more commitment; energy, Ella, energy...it was endless
And the point was they needed to do this because Ella was constantly wilting and looking dispirited
And it worked well, which is great, that's what a coach is for

But part of you thought it's just like taking a toddler for a walk: come on, good walking, nearly there, you can do it, not much more to go.....

I mean, she's 20 years old, surely she shouldn't need to be coaxed and cajooled through each and every point - can't she keep her own energy up, for goodness sake?

 I think this has become quite common, both in the men's' and women's game since courtside coaching has been allowed. I watch more women's tennis than men and it really is a bit tiresome at times. Ella is still young and quite inexperienced buy it was very obvious in Emma Raducanu's matches at Queens and other more established players seem to require this type of encouragement/intervention. basically players being told where to serve the ball etc etc.  All part of the game now I guess.

  Fair enough some coaching during a match, but I think it should be limited e.g. after 6 games into a set and at end of set, for strategic purposes. I don't think players should have to rely on their coach to tell them where to serve during a game, I mean where does it end? Players taking advice from the coach is one thing, taking directions is another. Players need to own their game and strategy



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Blue_Belle wrote:

I'm inclined to agree, HarryGem having seen similar atittudes in uni students a few years ago

 Absolutely endorse that view by HarryGem re Uni students. Expect so much scaffolding to support their learning. It starts in schools though. 



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Heather breaks back for 3-3 in the first set. She's playing a pretty good match so far, Timofeeva has the bigger weight of shot but Heather is winning more of the longer rallies.

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PeteM


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And she takes the first set 6-3 with five consecutive games. Come on Heather!

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Heather looks cooked now - I think the long late match last night and the heat is taking its toll. Timofeeva still bouncing around.

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I don't think it's necessarily Heather running out of steam but rather Timofeeva is getting stronger as this match goes on, hitting clean winners regularly and still hustling hard in rallies

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It's a real shame, because I think Heather has played well enough today to beat a number of players in the draw but Timofeeva has been really impressive since the middle of the second set.

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Yeah Timofeeva thoroughly deserved that. After the first set the first serve went missing and it didn't feel like Heather had anything to hurt her with. Such a shame.

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For the record

FQR:- Heather Watson (GBR) WR491 [QWC] lost to Maria Timofeeva (UZB) WR92 [Q1] 6-3 2-6 1-6

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Wimbledon seedings are out, and I believe the draw is made tomorrow. Emma is seeded 30 as predicted.

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Mariam Bolkvadze is quasi-Brit

She's lived here since a young girl

And won an excellent match today against the fast-rising Belgian young star, Jeline Vandromme, US Open junior champion

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Shame - is there a slight hope of a lucky loser spot for Heather - are they drawn by ranking order at Wimbledon?

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